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Old May 9, 2005 | 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by temin,May 8 2005, 08:29 PM
Freedom in the United States is living the life you want while obeying the laws whether they be federal or state or just some high school. If you think disallowing the usage of cell phones during school hours is oppression you need to open your eyes and see what's going on in other parts of the world.
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Old May 9, 2005 | 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Spec_Ops2087,May 8 2005, 11:44 AM
And to the bladder issue. Most high schools around here have a 5min passing time. Recess? What recess? Recess was back in 1st grade --- no recess in high school. But I do agree there are lots of people who abuse them and that is probably why the rules are there. I just can't get over the fact when I was sweating and looked green the stupid teacher tried to tell me no.
fine. 5-10 min breaks between class, and 2 main breaks, with one being "lunch", and the other being called "recess", "nutrition", or whatever. the bottom line is that you DO have opportunities to use the restroom throughout the day, and if the majority of the students can manage themselves then so should you. also, if you are sick that day and or have some chronic problem, then you should be requesting permission to visit the nurse and not the restroom. when you visit the nurse, the teacher has a way of validating whether or not you actually had a problem, whereas if you just ask to use the restroom there's no way to prove that yo actually needed to go. you have to put yourself in the school's perspective. like you said, there are many students that abuse the restroom pass and that is why teachers are reluctant to give them out.
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Old May 9, 2005 | 04:22 AM
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Jesus people....Ok for the next month at work....you can only use the rest room at the following times - For the first five minutes of every hour and from 12:00-12:30. Better yet, try enforcing this on you're employes and see how far you get. Good luck.

These rules are retarded. I was never denied a bathroom break in school. Mostly because my teachers knew if I asked I had to go, and if they said no, I have every intention of going anyways.

*edit* People abuse the right to own guns, drive cars, etc. Want to limit the law abiding citizen's use of these becuase of someone else? No. It only happens in schoold cause shit rolls down hill and the 15-20 age group catches alot of it at the bottom. AND my opionion will most likely change the day I have kids
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Old May 9, 2005 | 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Uber-s2k,May 9 2005, 04:22 AM
*edit* People abuse the right to own guns, drive cars, etc. Want to limit the law abiding citizen's use of these becuase of someone else? No. It only happens in schoold cause shit rolls down hill and the 15-20 age group catches alot of it at the bottom. AND my opionion will most likely change the day I have kids
actually, in ways, you are. as far as i know, there is a waiting period and background check for purchasing firearm, and the auto insurance rate you paid is based on the general habbits of the driving population, and not so much based on you as an individual.

also, certain firearms are illegal for sale to people, and there are speed limits all over the place because people cannot be trusted to use proper judgement to drive at a "safe" speed.
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Old May 9, 2005 | 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Uber-s2k,May 9 2005, 04:22 AM
Jesus people....Ok for the next month at work....you can only use the rest room at the following times - For the first five minutes of every hour and from 12:00-12:30. Better yet, try enforcing this on you're employes and see how far you get. Good luck.
the point is that not only is it disruptive for someone to get up and go to the restroom in the middle of class, but even at most jobs, there are times that you know is not a good time to be using the bathroom. for instance, if you are a lawyer and is attending trial, you know better to use the restroom before trial, and during breaks, not only because you don't know when you will have a good opportunity to use the restroom during the trial, but also because you don't want to be rude and disrupt the courtroom. similarly, if you were a surgeon, you should know better to use the restroom before an opperation, because having to pause in the middle of the operation to use the restroom may not only disrupt the operation, but can endanger the patient's life. what you try to instill into children when they are young is that there is a proper time to be doing something and a not so proper time not to do something. that does not mean that a child who desperately needs to use the restroom during class time should absolutely be denied that permission, but again, many times, it's really had to determine which kid actually needs to go and which kid just wants to get out of class temporarily.
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Old May 9, 2005 | 05:50 AM
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[QUOTE=My R2,May 6 2005, 06:20 PM]Sorry, but I have to side with the school on this one.
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Old May 9, 2005 | 06:45 AM
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Stupid public schools...
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Old May 9, 2005 | 12:03 PM
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UPDATE*UPDATE*UPDATE
Posted today on CNN. I bolded a couple interesting points....


Cell-phone student back at school after suspension
High school junior punished after talking to mom in Iraq
Monday, May 9, 2005 Posted: 2:43 PM EDT (1843 GMT)

Kevin Francois spoke on the phone Friday with his mother in Iraq and his guardian in Columbus, Georgia.

(CNN) -- A Georgia student, suspended after violating his high school's cell-phone ban to talk to his mother in Iraq, returned to class on Monday.

Officials at Spencer High School in Columbus shortened a 10-day suspension for Kevin Francois, 17.

Although cell-phone use is prohibited at the school, officials said Kevin was being punished for using profanity after a teacher interrupted his call from Iraq -- where his mother, a U.S. Army soldier, is serving in the Iraq war.

Kevin denied cursing during the incident.

On Friday, the incident attracted national news media attention, prompting a flood of e-mail to the school. By Friday afternoon, school officials told Kevin his suspension would be shortened to the two days he had served.

On Monday, Principal Olivia Rutledge, Assistant Principal Al Parham and two school counselors met with Kevin and his guardian, according to a statement released by the school.

"Kevin is now back in class at Spencer, following a conference in which behavior expectations were discussed and methods of supporting Kevin were outlined," the statement said.

"Kevin will not be penalized for his two-day suspension, and his guardian will meet on Tuesday with Kevin's counselor and teachers regarding his overall academic progress this semester."

The incident began Wednesday, when Kevin's mother called him from Iraq while he was at school on a lunch break. School officials said Kevin used profanity after a teacher interrupted the conversation, citing the school's cell-phone ban.

"The suspension was really incidental to the telephone. It was the behavior of the student, using profanity, screaming at the teacher," said John Phillips Jr., superintendent for the Muscogee County School District.

"He became very belligerent and very threatening to her" when she asked him to turn over the phone, Phillips said.

Kevin, a junior, disputed the school's version of the incident. "I was just talking to them and they wouldn't listen to me about talking to my mom," he said last week. "I didn't curse at them."

Phillips said the teacher was not aware at the time that Kevin was on the phone with his mother in Iraq.

"I'm sure if she was aware of that, she would have acted much differently in dealing with the matter," Phillips said.

The boy lives with an aunt, who is his guardian while his mother is away, Phillips said. He said Kevin knew it was against school policy to use a cell phone on school grounds.

The school, which is near Fort Benning, often arranges for students to receive calls from parents who are deployed with the military, Phillips said. More than 3,700 students in the district are from military families.

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Old May 9, 2005 | 12:39 PM
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Well, thats good to hear, but lets not let that stop our mature heated debate now shall we?

one kid may have a dad who is a policeman who run the risk of getting shot on the job and not make it home that night, or another kid may have a dad who is a construction worker who may accidentally fall off a building and also not make it home that night.
That is true, but his mother is OVERSEAS... The kids with parents who are policemen or construction workers get to see their parents every night and talk to them all they want. This kid does not get to see his mother every night. She may be limited to a 10 min. call as well, so for that 10 min. if you want my phone, you can pry it form my COLD DEAD KUNG-FU GRIPPED FINGERS!!!
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Old May 9, 2005 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by VTEC_Junkie,May 9 2005, 05:07 AM
fine. 5-10 min breaks between class, and 2 main breaks, with one being "lunch", and the other being called "recess", "nutrition", or whatever. the bottom line is that you DO have opportunities to use the restroom throughout the day, and if the majority of the students can manage themselves then so should you. also, if you are sick that day and or have some chronic problem, then you should be requesting permission to visit the nurse and not the restroom. when you visit the nurse, the teacher has a way of validating whether or not you actually had a problem, whereas if you just ask to use the restroom there's no way to prove that yo actually needed to go. you have to put yourself in the school's perspective. like you said, there are many students that abuse the restroom pass and that is why teachers are reluctant to give them out.
That might be true to an extent as well. In our school district the bathrooms are closed between periods and closed last period. They open 5min after the bell rings for the beginning of the period and close 5min before the period end. Only lunch is really the only "free" time to use the bathroom
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