this course was outside the norm of our scca. It was a Porsche Club of America event so their events typically are very fast 55-70mph. Even on a typical scca autocross course (asphault or concrete) my setup has been pretty spot on (for me at least). Just thought i would contribute. Also good to remember that the idea is to be able to get on throttle as soon as possible (after turn in) and be able to laydown the power without the car pushing or oversteering. On this run i was able to laydown power everywhere i wanted to except the last sweeper into the finish. I was a bit aggressive on turn in.

 

Given that the listing in STR is just 'Honda S2000', I'm of the opinion you can put AP1 bumper covers on a AP2 and AP1 covers on a AP2, and CR aero bits on a non-CR, assuming they fit on the bumper internals (I have no idea if they do). As far as I know there hasn't been a protest to that effect.


This is why we (SPAC) went against incorporating this allowance in SP, it creates a separate update/backdate list from the one already in use for regular SP listing, that might go across classes like a M3 (BSP) bumper cover on a non-M3 (DSP).

 

I agree but a stiffer set-up will be able to take a set faster then a softer set-up. I think it's a balance between the two to be "fast."


Good job though! See you around.

 

oinojo, I love the approach you are taking with the big bang for the buck and winning with it. That course is quite impressive! It had some sections that were both faster and slower than Blytheville. IMO, not far off of what I would expect for that neck of the woods.

Thanks for sharing your setup and congrats on that impressive win!

-Dave

 

Did anybody protest the Non-CR running the CR wing and splitter at nationals?

My reading of this rule was that the bumper/wing/splitter just had to be from the S2000 as defined by "model" and was not model year specific.
Thus, why it was ok for non-CR S2000s to run the aero package if they wanted. That seemed to work with the wording of the rule and the intent behind its' creation.

I will have to go dig through the rules to see what the definition of "model of the vehicle" means. Looks like law school and racing are about to work together for a change.
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**Just did a quick search and the model of the vehicle as a term is not defined

The verbiage in Street Prepared (see below) is more specific. Because the CR is considered the same car in both the Appendix for BS, STR and BSP I think it would be good evidence to support that you can move the bumpers/splitters between model years. The CR, AP1, and AP2 are all considered the same car by the Appendix and thus the "model of vehicle" would include 00-08's + CRs

"C. Equipment and/or specifications may be exchanged between differ- ent years and models of a vehicle if:
(a) the item is standard on the year/model from which it was taken, and
(b) the years/models are listed on the same line of Appendix A (Street Prepared Classes)."
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Interesting, I read it like that too, but then again this is the first time I've actually started reading rules specifically to try and pinpoint something. So how does one get official confirmation regarding this direct from SCCA?

Thanks

 

Killer, I guess no body will mind when I put the AP2 block under my AP1 head and use the AP2 Transmission and diff.

 

There are likely various grounds for arguing for the swapping of exterior parts between various S2000 versions. If, however, the grounds used is that "all S2000s are the same model," it cold open the door for the argument for removal of certain aerodynamic elements from the CR, like wing and front spoiler under the same reasoning. Personally, I would be OK with anyone adding CR aero to a non-CR, but I am sure that many would not want the CR to be any lighter by removing aero components under the argument that it complies with the exterior specs of other "models." Plus, removing aero from a CR would not involve adding additional holes, etc.

Overall, I agree with MLeach above that CR keeps its aero (and cannot remove), and non-CRs don't get to add aero. I would never protest anyone who illegally had a CR wing though since it would be silly to do so. Personally I think it is a compliment that a non-CR would want to look like a CR... it balances out those who criticize the CR styling.

 

Thanks Dave. Looks like I need to add my name in my Sig.
-Jonathan

 

Come on, there's no allowance to do the head swap, even in SP.

The updating and/or backdating of engines, transmissions, transaxles, and/or unibodies must be done as a unit; component parts and specifications of these units may not be interchanged.

There's a specific allowance for bodywork that was added for this reason in ST!

Addition of spoilers, splitters, rear wings, bumper covers, valances,
side skirts, and non-functional sccops/vents is allowed provided that
either:
14. STREET TOURING CATEGORY — 81
1. It is a production part which is standard or optional equipment of a
US model of the vehilcle
2. It is listed in the vehicle manufacturer’s US accessory catalog for
that vehicle for normal highway use.
Parts must be installed as directed by the manufacturer. Exact repli-
cas (including weight) from alternate sources are also permitted.

Is a bumper cover from another year S2000 from a different or non-US model of S2000? Or are you saying that 2000 S2000, 2001 S2000, etc. are all different models of car?

I can understand saying the CR is a different model, except that if it is, it's not classed in STR in Appendix A...

 

I think the point is that an AP1 is not an AP2, as these are different models. While there is a CR version of the AP2, there are limits and required judgement to how one can apply that rule.