not too many bushings on these cars I'd want to replace with urethane. Too many multi-axis bushings require compliance... stupid mugen pricing!

 

and because of that, you must follow the rule that says you cant... because if you could, then even with an off the shelf unit, someone will find a way to cut plastic in such a way to let that intake perform even better at the national level. Not every car can take advantage of every rule. So, the S2k cant use the AEM, fine, we already have more power then the other supposed top dog in the class, you should be more concerned about losing weight and tuning suspension then which intake you can use.

 

You don't appear to realize the lengths people will go to to exploit the rules at the national level. The rules are written for national-level competitors, not you.

Who says i'm not a national level competitor?

Define off the shelf in a way that can't be exploited by someone out to do so. Not easy.

Very easy, you buy intake system from a known company, it specifically says you need to cut a 3x3 square out for clearance then thats what your aloud. If you dont have said intake, then you can't cut. Seems pretty simple to me. Anymore cutting than that... illegal! Whats so hard to understand there?

 

I get $445 not counting the compliance bushing (which isn't available anymore).

Items 1,2,10,11,12,14

 

THat opens a whole other can of worms, with what counts as a known company, proving you only did what was in the instructions, and a mess of other issues. this would make a lot more work for the VOLUNTEERS who handle these issues at events. Some rules are just designed to be easy to check for the sake of the volunteers.

I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill, there is not much to be gained if anything, so why waste all your time and energy on that rule.

 

Under my interpretation of the rule, as long as you "drill" a 3" hole for the intake to go through the shield it's legal. Just get a hole saw and do it.

 

The whole is not cut simply for the tube passage but for mounting as well.

 

I was being precocious. The rule says you can "drill" for mounting. Well, if you drill a 3" hole, you are not technically breaking the rule.

 

So what constitutes a "known company"? My car uses a Stimpy-Motive cold air intake kit, which uses aluminum chimney ducts to extend the intake down into the bumper cover, where it sticks out through the hole left by removing the fake brake duct. My company, Stimpy-Motive, will sell a similar kit complete with printed instructions describing which panels need to be cut, to anyone who wants one.

Suppose you manage to come up with a definition that limits it to major companies, with national distribution networks. Then, smaller vendors who make cheaper or better kits get excluded -- vendors whose parts people may commonly have because the enthusiasts all know about them. And less popular cars that aren't served by major manufacturers won't be able to install a comparable part.

Also, even "known companies" make parts with different levels of modification involved. Look at exhausts -- many vendors will sell you a cat-back (legal in stock), headers (legal in ST), and straight-pipe exhaust systems (legal in SP). I could imagine an intake vendor offering a replacement element, an intake replacement that doesn't require cutting, and a "cold air" system that involves cutting. How would the rules specify which one is allowed in each class? Seems like it would have to be case by case. The advisory committee doesn't get paid enough to keep track of all that.

It really makes sense to specify what configurations are allowed, rather than to try to restrict the source of the parts.

 

[QUOTE=glagola1,Dec 3 2009, 03:02 PM] I was being precocious.