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Old Dec 1, 2009 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by TheNick,Dec 1 2009, 10:34 AM
Let me add - the grey area is regarding whether or not you can replace the toe control arm with adjustable length arm. And considering that it is already adjustable via the inner pickup point - I don't really see the point of the discussion.
I see your point. So if the stock arm was simply longer or adjustable for length, then the pickup points would all be the same. Threading the stock ends onto the aluminum control arm would drop a little weight and could get a different camber curve through length adjustment.

Considering that the hub has one upper mount and two lower mounting points, then the triangle defined by these three points controls the wheel plane. Any one of those three points can affect camber, and front-most and rear-most points can define toe as well (both of which are the lower points). I'm going to read over the rules again.

Thanks for the clarification guys.

Has anyone compiled a list of legal and illegal CAIs?

AEM V2 looks like it's illegal due to the trimming of underbody plastic.
Old Dec 2, 2009 | 12:44 AM
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^ I think just about any CAI will be illegal but most SRI's should be legal
Old Dec 2, 2009 | 08:21 AM
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CAI rule is kind of ridiculous. One of the most common mods to a car, and I just hope no one in my region cares about my Mugen intake because there is no way I am giving that baby up.........
Old Dec 2, 2009 | 12:13 PM
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It is not that CAI's are expressly forbidden. Its that most of them require trimming or cutting to get them in which is not allowed
Old Dec 2, 2009 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by bronxbomber252,Dec 2 2009, 01:13 PM
It is not that CAI's are expressly forbidden. Its that most of them require trimming or cutting to get them in which is not allowed
Which is utterly stupid. Who cares if you cut out 3 square inches of plastic. That is the dumbest rule of all time. Personally I wouldn't give a shit. I highly doubt that there is any performance advantage from a Mugen to a K&N to a AEM.
Old Dec 2, 2009 | 02:01 PM
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Once again the small mindedness of you people is astounding.

Rule in question:
14.10.C
The air intake system up to, but not including, the engine inlet
may be modified or replaced. The engine inlet is the throttle
body, carburetor, compressor inlet, or intake manifold,
whichever comes first. The existing structure of the car may not
be modified for the passage of ducting from the air cleaner to
the engine inlet. Holes may be drilled for mounting. Emissions
or engine management components in the air intake system,
such as a PCV valve, or mass airflow sensor, may not be
removed, modified, or replaced, and must retain their original
function along the flow path.


If that rule wasn't there - I'd be cutting a gigantic hole in the front bumper of my car (cause remember bumper covers are wide open) and running a 5" diameter dryer hose up to my air filter. You think thats the intent of the rules?


When you guys read the rules you need to start seeing the big picture...
Old Dec 2, 2009 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by TheNick,Dec 2 2009, 03:01 PM
Once again the small mindedness of you people is astounding.

Rule in question:
14.10.C




If that rule wasn't there - I'd be cutting a gigantic hole in the front bumper of my car (cause remember bumper covers are wide open) and running a 5" diameter dryer hose up to my air filter. You think thats the intent of the rules?


When you guys read the rules you need to start seeing the big picture...
That I believe is what the rule is for so people don't cut a big hole in the bumper and do exactly what your talking about.

I just see it being a pain in the BUTT if you have a AEM intake and it requires you to cut out a small part of plastic for air cleaner clearance. What performance advantage does that provide? I run a K&N intake myself and personally if someone were running a AEM intake and beat me, I would not protest that. That to me would be a "WEENIE PROTEST".

They could just as easily put wording in the rule that says "no custom intakes" but allow clearance to be made for intakes that are available off the shelf.
Old Dec 2, 2009 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TheNick,Dec 1 2009, 10:29 AM
Powerflex sells a set for the S that is around $600 for the whole car.

www.powerflexusa.com
I got $385 for the car excluding sway bar bushings.

Installation could be a challenge. I would think a press would be the way to go.


I have some old a-arms I may try it out on once I get past shocks/springs/wheels.
Old Dec 2, 2009 | 08:42 PM
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[QUOTE=chetly,Dec 2 2009, 03:13 PM]I just see it being a pain in the BUTT if you have a AEM intake and it requires you to cut out a small part of plastic for air cleaner clearance. What performance advantage does that provide?
Old Dec 2, 2009 | 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by chetly,Dec 2 2009, 06:13 PM
That I believe is what the rule is for so people don't cut a big hole in the bumper and do exactly what your talking about.

I just see it being a pain in the BUTT if you have a AEM intake and it requires you to cut out a small part of plastic for air cleaner clearance. What performance advantage does that provide? I run a K&N intake myself and personally if someone were running a AEM intake and beat me, I would not protest that. That to me would be a "WEENIE PROTEST".

They could just as easily put wording in the rule that says "no custom intakes" but allow clearance to be made for intakes that are available off the shelf.
the performance advantage you gain is that the AEM might be a better intake than any other that stays within the confines of the bay. How is that not clear?



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