S2000 STR prep resource
Originally Posted by NJDrive,Dec 23 2009, 05:30 PM
TheNick, are you still using the stock Torsen?
We might play with it midseason - but I doubt we'll make any major changes like that to the car before Nationals. Unless some money appears out of nowhere - the LSD will be a 2011 thing.
That's why I asked.
I'm not understanding how an LSD became such a priority if there are some on here that claim little to no wheelspin with the stock Torsen and street tires.
I, like you, have my sights set elsewhere for the time being.
On a different subject, I need some clarification:

What constitutes an engine mount and trans mount here? Anything beyond parts 1 and 4?
I'm not understanding how an LSD became such a priority if there are some on here that claim little to no wheelspin with the stock Torsen and street tires.
I, like you, have my sights set elsewhere for the time being.
On a different subject, I need some clarification:

What constitutes an engine mount and trans mount here? Anything beyond parts 1 and 4?
Regarding aftermarket mounts in ST.... I highly recommend not replacing them. The metal rule along with the location rule is a huge albatross to get out from under, and almost anything that's not a derivative, or modification, of the stock mounts will result in a protest.
If you need stiffer mounting, get some busted mounts and fill them with poly.
If you need stiffer mounting, get some busted mounts and fill them with poly.
Originally Posted by an2ny,Dec 23 2009, 01:15 PM
I see people in ST classes running carbon fiber seats that probably weight 11lb and no ballasts…
Originally Posted by glagola1,Dec 23 2009, 12:46 PM
For example, how about a rule like this:
Seats must extend to at least the middle of the driver's helmet, must be covered on all seating surfaces, must be bolted to the floor using the stock mounting holes and must use sufficient mounting hardware as to resist deflection of over 1.5" (measured at the top of the seat head rest) in any direction.
Seats must extend to at least the middle of the driver's helmet, must be covered on all seating surfaces, must be bolted to the floor using the stock mounting holes and must use sufficient mounting hardware as to resist deflection of over 1.5" (measured at the top of the seat head rest) in any direction.
Only thing I would change is the 1.5" deflection: you'd have to specify a load for that deflection. One can get 1.5" deflection at the roll hoops, given enough load.
Originally Posted by mLeach,Dec 23 2009, 07:36 PM
Regarding aftermarket mounts in ST.... I highly recommend not replacing them. The metal rule along with the location rule is a huge albatross to get out from under, and almost anything that's not a derivative, or modification, of the stock mounts will result in a protest.
If you need stiffer mounting, get some busted mounts and fill them with poly.
If you need stiffer mounting, get some busted mounts and fill them with poly.
I can use less metal in both mounts 1 and 4 above, and have them mount in the factory locations without modification. What's subject to protest there?
Originally Posted by mLeach,Dec 23 2009, 06:36 PM
Regarding aftermarket mounts in ST.... I highly recommend not replacing them. The metal rule along with the location rule is a huge albatross to get out from under, and almost anything that's not a derivative, or modification, of the stock mounts will result in a protest.

I asked the SEB/STAC about this a while back. It is quite clear, especially with the latest clarification.
Street Touring: Add to the end of the first paragraph of 14.10.J: “All components between the engine and the mounting structure
are considered to be part of the motor mount assembly and therefore comprise the motor mount.”
are considered to be part of the motor mount assembly and therefore comprise the motor mount.”

This was also clarified specifically for the Miata a few years back:
MIATA MOTOR MOUNTS
All three pieces of a Miata motor mount (Engine Mount Rubber,
Stopper Casing and Engine Bracket) are considered to be part of the
“Engine Mount” in 14.10.J and 15.10.J.
All three pieces of a Miata motor mount (Engine Mount Rubber,
Stopper Casing and Engine Bracket) are considered to be part of the
“Engine Mount” in 14.10.J and 15.10.J.
This means that the Innovative mounts are possibly legal, or something similar. Due to the stock parts (7,8 in pic) being aluminum and rather thick, and the Innovative being steel and a good bit thinner gauge, there should be less volume in metal for the aftermarket mounts. I have seen the aftermarket Innovative parts in person, and they are nice pieces. I am still going to check the volume of metal in each before putting them on the car. If there is too much metal, there should not be any issue drilling some holes in the steel pieces to add some void. The only other legal issue to check for is to make sure that it does not change the height of the engine in the car. I asked Innovative about this, and was told that it does not.
Innovative mounts:

As for the transmission mounts, this was not clarified similar to the engine mounts yet, but it would not be hard to sandwich some delrin or rubber material in the stock location.
-Brian
I would not be using the Innovative mounts as I am using my own design.
The transmission mounts #1, 2, and 9 were the basis of my inquiry, but since no clarification has been offered for them in the same manner as the engine mounts, I'll just be replacing both #1s, for now.
The transmission mounts #1, 2, and 9 were the basis of my inquiry, but since no clarification has been offered for them in the same manner as the engine mounts, I'll just be replacing both #1s, for now.
Originally Posted by PedalFaster,Dec 23 2009, 12:22 PM
I don't get your point -- it sounds like you're trying to prove me wrong on something, but I can't tell what it is. That test wasn't specifically "for autocross" -- autocross is only mentioned once in passing, when describing the S2000 in a general sense. The car they tested with was a T3 road race car. And they didn't add a slalom to the course like they often do when doing autocross-centric testing.
You also danced around the more important point, which was that expecting a diff to make a difference of several seconds is unrealistic.
You also danced around the more important point, which was that expecting a diff to make a difference of several seconds is unrealistic.


