Definitive S2000 CR Thread
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Originally Posted by Luder94,Apr 3 2007, 02:52 PM
What's the "regular" S2000's market penetration compared to the NSX when the Zanardi was introduced. --> Not much...definitely not as much as the S2000.
At the time of introduction, what was the market's familiarity with the ITR vs. the GSR and lesser models? Does the normal S2000 have as broad of market appeal as the lesser Integra? --> No...to this day there are Integra owners that have owned the car for years that don't know what an ITR is. The ITR wsa performance oriented where as the others weren't marketed as such.
The S2000, on the other hand, was all about performance....the target market for the CR will be knowledgeable about the segment, which in turn will keep the demand for the 200 or so run high. Those that can't get the CR's for whatever reason will have to "settle" for the CR-clone.
At the time of introduction, what was the market's familiarity with the ITR vs. the GSR and lesser models? Does the normal S2000 have as broad of market appeal as the lesser Integra? --> No...to this day there are Integra owners that have owned the car for years that don't know what an ITR is. The ITR wsa performance oriented where as the others weren't marketed as such.
The S2000, on the other hand, was all about performance....the target market for the CR will be knowledgeable about the segment, which in turn will keep the demand for the 200 or so run high. Those that can't get the CR's for whatever reason will have to "settle" for the CR-clone.
It would be foolish to think a company like Honda will purposely limit supply just to please owners ego seeking exclusivity. Honda wants to make money. If they can sell 1000 stripped down CR instead of 200, they will do it. Production capacity is not Honda concern here unlike some exotic marques.
Honda marketing team does a lot of home work on the expect sales volume so they do not get stuck with excessive cars sitting on the lot. If the 200 is the right volume for stripped version. The first 100 will sell really fast. to mostly people on the thread. The last 50 will sit on the lot until the end of the model year.
Don't feel bad that you may not have gotten a great deal on buying the MY2000 compared to the discounts that came on the subsequent years because you had more time to enjoy the car.
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3850 ITR's were sold in the US. I believe 2000 is an initial 2007 figure, and another 2000 or so will be sold as a 2008 model and production wil be ceased for the next gen s2k. and if the "stripped" s2k sells well, the ratio will increase for 2008.
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Originally Posted by Onehots2k,Apr 3 2007, 05:48 PM
I totally agree....those of us with stock s2000's can clearly tell the difference when we have a heavy passenger(no pun intended). Am i wrong?
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I had heard that Honda lost money on the 97, 98, 00, and 01 Integra Type R's imported to the U.S. I'm not sure if "lost" means they lost money or just had smaller profit margins in comparison to the standard Integra's. At any rate, Honda brought the Type R to build brand loyalty and recognition (hype), not to increase their stockholders equity. That's what their Civic and Accord do... Bread and Butter models.
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I emailed the local Honda dealer by me that does really high sales volume (hoping they may get one and I could be first in line) about getting the CR and the response was "As for the price and how much we would actually sell the vehicle for is still not determined". Looks like the mark-up will be ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by Dark_Sub_Rosa,Apr 3 2007, 02:44 PM
100-150 lbs not make a difference???? The S is a light weight car for what it is, you take out 150 lbs and you will notice, especially since the car is low on torque to begin with.
How much difference on a track will it make.
Good driving could easily make that difference negligible.
Thats like saying the 150lb S2000 driver will be faster than the 250lb one.
We all know thats not true.
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Originally Posted by Dezoris,Apr 3 2007, 07:10 PM
Feeling a difference is not what I am talking about.
How much difference on a track will it make.
Good driving could easily make that difference negligible.
Thats like saying the 150lb S2000 driver will be faster than the 250lb one.
We all know thats not true.
How much difference on a track will it make.
Good driving could easily make that difference negligible.
Thats like saying the 150lb S2000 driver will be faster than the 250lb one.
We all know thats not true.
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Originally Posted by Dark_Sub_Rosa,Apr 3 2007, 08:16 PM
Why wouldn't it be? 150 lbs is 150 lbs no matter where you put it at. On a track, in the street, anywhere. Less weight will be allow the car to power out of corners harder and accelerate faster. If you had the ability to control everything and the only variable is a drivers weight, a 150 lb driver will be faster than a 250 lb driver. It is simple power to weight ratio.