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Old Apr 11, 2019 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by lane_viper
I know we are all in the S2k family here, but I just don't see the value appeal on a CR? Isn't it a limited volume AP1ish AP2, without a soft top and a unique front lip?

I guess I don't see where they should be $10k-$20k more valuable than a standard S2k.

I think of all the different performance cars that outperform, and are more radical and unique for the money. (Gen 2 Vipers, C6Z06, Lotus Elise) I will never own one, cause I won't pay what they are going for.

I know they are special, but IMO not that special. I think of what Honda could have done with the "last hurrah" of the S2k, and this is all we got?

Just my thoughts, from an 11+ year current owner of an AP1, that I love.
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I'm with you on this one. Sure, they are awesome just because they are unique and harder to come by but do they warrant the enormous increase in price? I'm not knocking anyone who has one or wants one for that matter. Honestly, I like the flexibility of just being able to put the soft top up or down in seconds and have a roof over my head or not have one which is mostly the case.
I'm with you guys. CR is awesome, and sure, I'm speaking as someone who can't get my hands on one.

I can appreciate how rare it is. But wow, I can't justify nearly $20,000 more for a car that's a little better than the base model. And on top of that, let's be real here...

Most of us buy cars and mods for the "WOW" factor that we expect other people to have on our cars and mods. I'm willing to beat 98/100 can't spot a CR if they saw one, or can appreciate the minute differences.
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Old Apr 11, 2019 | 11:07 PM
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Hey guys, I'm talking to a gentleman on Craigslist who is selling a clean title 2001 S2k with 135k miles for $8,500. The seller is the third owner and bought the car at 120k miles 8 months ago and daily drives it ~130 miles/day for work.

The car has a color-matched and recently repainted Mugen hardtop, a cold air intake K&N cone replacement filter (which the current owner replaced recently as it was in poor condition), an N1 catback exhaust, and is lowered on DME coilovers.

The current owner was planning to race it but never did. He said he replaced the master cylinder (what is that?) with a Honda OEM because the stock one went out. He also said he replaced the clutch 8k miles ago.

Good deal? Bad deal? Help me Obi-Wan S2Kenobi, you're my only hope!
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Old Apr 12, 2019 | 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by lane_viper
I know we are all in the S2k family here, but I just don't see the value appeal on a CR? Isn't it a limited volume AP1ish AP2, without a soft top and a unique front lip?

I guess I don't see where they should be $10k-$20k more valuable than a standard S2k.

I think of all the different performance cars that outperform, and are more radical and unique for the money. (Gen 2 Vipers, C6Z06, Lotus Elise) I will never own one, cause I won't pay what they are going for.

I know they are special, but IMO not that special. I think of what Honda could have done with the "last hurrah" of the S2k, and this is all we got?

Just my thoughts, from an 11+ year current owner of an AP1, that I love.
I agree 100%, to me not having a soft top makes it inferior to a regular S2K. That said I bought a Shelby in late 2007 and my other choice was an Apex Blue CR, as much as I love my Shelby (That currently has about $20K miles and is pristine) I am kicking myself. They couldn’t give away the CR’s, I could’ve bought it for $5K plus under MSRP, that thing would be worth double now.

Think about this, for the price of a CR you can basically get a Boxster 987 Spyder, anyone that picks a CR over a Spyder IMO is out of their mind. Plus the Spyder will hold its value just as well.
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Old Apr 12, 2019 | 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by anyoldguy
Hey guys, I'm talking to a gentleman on Craigslist who is selling a clean title 2001 S2k with 135k miles for $8,500. The seller is the third owner and bought the car at 120k miles 8 months ago and daily drives it ~130 miles/day for work.

The car has a color-matched and recently repainted Mugen hardtop, a cold air intake K&N cone replacement filter (which the current owner replaced recently as it was in poor condition), an N1 catback exhaust, and is lowered on DME coilovers.

The current owner was planning to race it but never did. He said he replaced the master cylinder (what is that?) with a Honda OEM because the stock one went out. He also said he replaced the clutch 8k miles ago.

Good deal? Bad deal? Help me Obi-Wan S2Kenobi, you're my only hope!
Go look at it and observe its condition. (interior wear, paint condition, engine condition like oil leaks, ect) with 135k don't expect it to be perfect. If the mods look tasteful, and you don't mind them, that seems like a decent price.

Master cylinder is one of the clutch components. Pumps the clutch fluid to operate the clutch. Doesn't sound like a big deal.

On just about any other car the 135k miles would scare me, but these are known to be strong engines that last. Drive it and make sure it drives good. (no weird noises, and make sure Vtec works properly)

Could be his price is negotiable, might shoot for a little less, but sounds like he is not some stupid kid that thinks his car is worth crazy money.

Good luck

As long as it looks well represented
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Old Apr 12, 2019 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by lane_viper
Go look at it and observe its condition. (interior wear, paint condition, engine condition like oil leaks, ect) with 135k don't expect it to be perfect. If the mods look tasteful, and you don't mind them, that seems like a decent price.

Master cylinder is one of the clutch components. Pumps the clutch fluid to operate the clutch. Doesn't sound like a big deal.

On just about any other car the 135k miles would scare me, but these are known to be strong engines that last. Drive it and make sure it drives good. (no weird noises, and make sure Vtec works properly)

Could be his price is negotiable, might shoot for a little less, but sounds like he is not some stupid kid that thinks his car is worth crazy money.

Good luck

As long as it looks well represented
Great advice – thank you very much! How many miles should I expect out of a well cared-for F20C?
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Old Apr 12, 2019 | 08:02 AM
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^^^See here:
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/s2000-un...ighest+mileage
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Old Apr 12, 2019 | 08:20 AM
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Wow; I had assumed there had to be some catch and you couldn't have it all. Honda never ceases to amaze!
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Old Apr 18, 2019 | 11:28 AM
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Is there a general consensus on at what mileage the value of an S2000 generally starts to really fall off? 100k miles and $15k price tag is pretty common. In 5 more years and at 150k miles, is there a large decline in value? S2000s are appreciating, but at some point the desirability and thus value falls off for the higher mileage examples, no?
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Old Apr 18, 2019 | 11:42 AM
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Cracking the 100K mark does affect value (whether is should or not), but I've seen the same thing. A 2006 with 90K vs. a 2006 with 115K could have a 3K price difference. Properly cared for, these can go for several hundred thousand miles. I bought mine at 111K (2006) for $15K last year, but it's in great condition mechanically and cosmetically. I had to do several things to improve some cosmetics since that many miles and years will show no matter how well cared for, but it runs like a top, doesn't burn an ounce of oil, and is as rattle free as one of these can be.

There's S2Ks I've seen with 60K miles I wouldn't touch, and ones with 150K miles that are in great shape. I would probably start questioning around the 150K mark, and look for something lower mileage, but that doesn't mean someone can't pick up a good deal for one with more miles. The ones that are appreciating are the ones with sub-50K miles. Find one with under 20K and you may be in the high $20Ks, and even close to original sticker. I would prefer one that has been driven though. Ones admired in a garage with fewer than 500 miles a year aren't really being worked, and can end up with more issues than one that's seen 10K miles a year.
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Old Apr 18, 2019 | 12:51 PM
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It's unfortunate that 100k is still the mark where people question vehicles. I do it myself but I am from an era where that was the death of a car or the time it would need MAJOR refurbishing. Cars built these days have so much more life in them, especially the Honda.
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