i like to "game" stuff like this

So i found cazoo will provide quick values (off book with a modifier is my guess)

the e they offer £12.6k iirc.. it's market value is c£14k private

i put that car above in, £27k

it's 2 years old! that is crazy low which i think says there is no dealer appetite. puts me in a decent position but yes, sitting and watching is my strat now

 

I've noticed large segments of nearly new have plundered in value. Buying new isn't such a great idea , unless this is a very long term purchase, and you're sticking 2 fingers up to depreciation.
PCP can sound all the while attractive. However. Big balloon payment required at the end for a cheapo car highly likely to be worth fck all... (Think Puma, 0% to suck you in.. )
But I know you're smarter than that.
These EVs and the like are probably more popular as company cars, is that not possible Jason?
Anything north of 30k for a Kia does seem remarkably high and only ever destined to nose dive in whatever market we are in. Doesn't change the fact it looks a brilliant piece of engineering, but years of them producing duff cars perhaps a factor? New, these are 61k, just looked. Jesus!
The Merc EQC suddenly looks the more appealing idea and will hold it's value for a while longer, if you can get past it's perhaps pretentious badge. And probably soulless drive, if it's anything like this new GLA we have at the moment.

 

So many times they have tried to sell new. No ****ing way.

I have zero interest as I'm a cash buyer and not willing to drop £20k in 2 years. A 2 year old car still has more warranty than most new cars (7 years from new)

I need a long term plan (I don't like changing cars, it's a rare event for me, I have very little interest in the thing I am buying and with all modern cars really. So a comfy, reliable barge which can move.

The charging tech is bollox really, it's not a big factor. I charge on the road maybe 10-20 times a year even in the E.

I also need an exit strat which getting my little honda at the price I paid helped with. If it has cost me £12k in 3 years I can live with that, £20k in 2 would be beyond a lease cost so not ok or the best way to do it.

I am watching. One car has moved this week to sold in my search.

Loads of ex lease hitting the market, most are lower spec but that drags the prices down across the board I think

A lease limits your cost.

GT line (not S, it loses some spec) slow one costs £27k over 4 years

If I buy a used GT Line S it would be mid 30s so would it be worth >£8k in 4 years on say 40k miles with 1 year warranty remaining? Possibly

Probably?

It would be faster haha

 

Latest overnight charge at 7.2kWh/hr took 22.3kWh range 100% at 129 miles. My 'e' is garaged.

Fuel for 8145 miles cost £279.61 including quite a few roadside charges.

3.4p/mile or 29 miles/£. Jason in empg that is?

 

I think petrol is currently 650p ish a gallon but take that with a pinch of salt, I last filled up at the weekend on the SC car and that was optimax high RON stuff

so 6.5 times your 29 figure is equivalent mpg, 188 ish

There are now a couple of known faults beyond the shitty 12v on these cars

1. Dodgy door handles
2. Dodgy brake

The former I expect an easy fix, the latter basically seems to blow a resistor in the brake actuator which shares load between regen and actual brakes afaik

There is some ire with Honda that no recall in UK but there is overseas. It's a pricey part.

I expect rebuild services may pick up on this as it's shared with some hybrid Honda's

Mine continues to behave thankfully

I don't drive for economy at all so in the mid 2s miles per kWh but charged at home that was 222kwh in Dec for £19 and I eat 555 miles (for the cost of 2.9 gals of squirt it's a similarly spectacularly cheap fuel bill)

I think we charged away in Dec in the peaks, I can't recall cost, it was only a 7kw charger at a hotel but they are still pricey vs octo cheap.. rapids make it poor petrol economy but I use maybe 2% of the time..

did one in Jan at NEC, one or two in Dec at Bike n Boot in the hope valley.. one in Nov at NEC....

Overall you won't find much cheaper to run and now I have reverted to my keeper strat I'm a happy chap

 

https://www.telematicswire.net/toyot...ingle%20charge.

Game changer...
Near 800 mile range, 10 years battery life I'm told AND . Keep your warranty going after 7 years, then Toyota will replace the battery free.
10 min charge too for 80% charge.
This will potentially disrupt the whole EV market. Question is how far are they away from producing this? Nissan are also on to it and discussing using the same tech. Honda though, probably will be out of the UK entirely by then.
if it was me I absolutely wouldn't be buying an EV just yet. Depreciation on a grand scale could follow once it's on sale.
​​​​the market is watching this keenly...or not !
Tariff sensitivity wont matter at all either in fairness

 

It all will come

Can it compete with hydrogen? Dunno.

I do think a £15k e is a cheap bomber.. a £60k Merc at sub £30k also

But a new BEV is risky business atm

 

I read that Volvo are pulling the Polestar EV to chase the Hydrogen cell dream.
Hyundai showcased that about 7 years ago, with a solar panel roof too. Self charging, water by- product only. Back turn only 3 fuel stations in the UK sold hydrogen.
Something has to give...
I'm banking on synthetic petrol to be the winner..when it's cheap enough to produce (not the £10 a litre now).
I hope ..

 

The advantage to BEV is the efficiency I guess

Disadvantage is weight, there is little short of 2T with any range

And weight ultimately means tyres, brakes take abuse. But the regen can help there, you don't need brakes on a BEV 95% of the time

Be interesting to see where it goes. I like a small BEV because you can thrash it from cold, it can defrost itself and warm up or cool nicely. They make great dailies for people not doing long commutes.

But I wouldn't pay £50k for a KIA bev

 

The e, now legacy, has a spiritual successor


Now it's fwd so doesn't appeal to me. And Renno which is not a brand which appeals to me either but I have to admit the car itself is funky as.

Bigger boot, cruder suspension, a baguette carrier (arf) it's a cool proposition. Let's see when it comes to market what the price is