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From: In the land of pies and pasties
Late to the party that... And definitely scraping the barrell copying an old classic (famed for 1.4 exploding engine and airfix build quality unless Reno forgot that), when in truth it's a Clio plank wearing a melted dress from yesteryear. With tarty tech. Dear me. Oh come on Reno!
what next, Ford release the E-scort Cosworth?
better still, a new Capr-eee!? Delta Integral-e ?
Ideas flowing from desperate car makers? is this a likely car? It's almost like someone else singing an old classic 30 years later. And it's never as good.
Alas, it might just work though. Trying to get the world to forget about the dreary Tesla styling, which is leagues ahead with it's Supercharge network, even though it's a supermini. Still...
what next, Ford release the E-scort Cosworth?
better still, a new Capr-eee!? Delta Integral-e ?
Ideas flowing from desperate car makers? is this a likely car? It's almost like someone else singing an old classic 30 years later. And it's never as good.
Alas, it might just work though. Trying to get the world to forget about the dreary Tesla styling, which is leagues ahead with it's Supercharge network, even though it's a supermini. Still...
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From: Nottingham
I see it a bit differently. The small electric runabout is a perfect 2nd car.
Driving to the shops in a 2100kg EV6 feels like a waste. Especially on this little isle.
I wouldn't buy one but at the right price it should sell. It's a lot nicer than the Zoe
Driving to the shops in a 2100kg EV6 feels like a waste. Especially on this little isle.
I wouldn't buy one but at the right price it should sell. It's a lot nicer than the Zoe
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From: In the land of pies and pasties
Would rather see them delay it and power it from synthetic petrol, as that appears to be gathering momentum. Not at pace mind... Some way to go to throw a spanner at the poorly set up EV market.
1.6 turbo, 200ish bhp with lift off, slippy diff.. 40mpg+, all easily doable.
It'll have more appeal to the happier supermini hot hatch drivers. Toyota overdid it with the GR but accepting that's a Homol car, that doesn't need 4wd in truth, but "had" to.
Sadly there's a disconnect from manufacturers - make it sparkling and unbelievable handling like an ol' 106 GTi. Reno nailed that with the Megane and older Clio Trophy. More of that please..
Do 2 versions, EV and a petrol, see what sells most?
Guaranteed the petrol will be cheaper and more fun.
1.6 turbo, 200ish bhp with lift off, slippy diff.. 40mpg+, all easily doable.
It'll have more appeal to the happier supermini hot hatch drivers. Toyota overdid it with the GR but accepting that's a Homol car, that doesn't need 4wd in truth, but "had" to.
Sadly there's a disconnect from manufacturers - make it sparkling and unbelievable handling like an ol' 106 GTi. Reno nailed that with the Megane and older Clio Trophy. More of that please..
Do 2 versions, EV and a petrol, see what sells most?
Guaranteed the petrol will be cheaper and more fun.
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The pure petrol is dead though, 2035 is the end. So noone is developing that car, rightly or wrongly.
The e is a brilliant steer, it is too expensive but this Renno won't be so bad. Maint and running peanuts too. Overall I doubt they are far apart in costs, just more up front on a BEV
But it doesn't suit mile munchers I agree.
Our combo of CRV hybrid for trips and this as my zip about is perfect for us. In the last year I did 6k miles at a cost of maybe £160 juice, that would have been a grand in the CRV. Maint in the e was, iirc, tranny fluid. So now it identifies as VTEC yo
The e is a brilliant steer, it is too expensive but this Renno won't be so bad. Maint and running peanuts too. Overall I doubt they are far apart in costs, just more up front on a BEV
But it doesn't suit mile munchers I agree.
Our combo of CRV hybrid for trips and this as my zip about is perfect for us. In the last year I did 6k miles at a cost of maybe £160 juice, that would have been a grand in the CRV. Maint in the e was, iirc, tranny fluid. So now it identifies as VTEC yo
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From: In the land of pies and pasties
Holding hope for synthetic petrol.
can't be far off convincing govts the cleaner emissions than pure, and ovs derv. By product is far better.
sodium batteries are supposed to be better, not affected by cold and higher range, last longer. But probably more costly mass produced. Bit like hydrogen cells.
pre dpf diesels being removed from roads is a better start point than forcing a buyers market towards unaffordable and terrible unregulated (away from home) charge network. Like motorway services for example. At home - agree, quids in, until battery Deg becomes a problem in the medium term.
can't be far off convincing govts the cleaner emissions than pure, and ovs derv. By product is far better.
sodium batteries are supposed to be better, not affected by cold and higher range, last longer. But probably more costly mass produced. Bit like hydrogen cells.
pre dpf diesels being removed from roads is a better start point than forcing a buyers market towards unaffordable and terrible unregulated (away from home) charge network. Like motorway services for example. At home - agree, quids in, until battery Deg becomes a problem in the medium term.
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From: Nottingham
Not saying it is right (it is patently not) but the OEMs can't build new ice until they get a market for it
AVG car probably does 10k miles a year, c200 a week or sub 30 a day. You could do that with a 10kwh battery which weighs nothing.
AVG car probably does 10k miles a year, c200 a week or sub 30 a day. You could do that with a 10kwh battery which weighs nothing.
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From: In the land of pies and pasties
It's a good effort from Reno, wouldn't be as excited as Johnny however it's disruptive pricing. If it was ICE, 18k? Lighter and better handling.
That said, those are lucky enough to be set up with a charge point to enjoy it will no doubt buy it - it's chic.
It's always been that shame about the e and the pitiful range. Real world the enY1 won't achieve it's 250mile range. And still remains the battery Deg argument. Toyotas 900 mile range battery will be the industry game changer I'd say. Reduce power outputs as it's not necessary - will the others follow instead of chasing mega horsepowers and torques (which has been the bait to get business out of powerful diesels)?
I passed a black 340d m this morning , I suppose also pointless power on the m62 but , it's still got it's market, for now. Chalk and cheese to an EV in terms of range. But more costly I suppose.
That said, those are lucky enough to be set up with a charge point to enjoy it will no doubt buy it - it's chic.
It's always been that shame about the e and the pitiful range. Real world the enY1 won't achieve it's 250mile range. And still remains the battery Deg argument. Toyotas 900 mile range battery will be the industry game changer I'd say. Reduce power outputs as it's not necessary - will the others follow instead of chasing mega horsepowers and torques (which has been the bait to get business out of powerful diesels)?
I passed a black 340d m this morning , I suppose also pointless power on the m62 but , it's still got it's market, for now. Chalk and cheese to an EV in terms of range. But more costly I suppose.
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From: Nottingham
That Yaris was £30k+ iirc
a GR84 is £32k https://www.toyota.co.uk/new-cars/gr86
A model 3 is £39k https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/model3/design#overview
The Toyota will cost maybe £2.1k a year in fuel (30mpg and 650 a gallon assumed)
The 3 will cost £260 if you charge at home
After 10 years they will both be on 100k and near end of life, the battery on the tes will be maybe 80% ****ed, the engine in the Toyota may last another 100k or not. The Toyota will have cost £3-4k in servicing, the 3 half that
Net 3
39k
Fuel 2.6k
Servicing £2k
Total 43.6
Toyota
32k
21k fuel
Service 4k
Total 57k
now it's over simplification and both of us would take the toyoboata but the Tesla is the cheaper car - I assume both at 10 years old / 100k are worth £7k ISH based on nowt, no crystal ball
a GR84 is £32k https://www.toyota.co.uk/new-cars/gr86
A model 3 is £39k https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/model3/design#overview
The Toyota will cost maybe £2.1k a year in fuel (30mpg and 650 a gallon assumed)
The 3 will cost £260 if you charge at home
After 10 years they will both be on 100k and near end of life, the battery on the tes will be maybe 80% ****ed, the engine in the Toyota may last another 100k or not. The Toyota will have cost £3-4k in servicing, the 3 half that
Net 3
39k
Fuel 2.6k
Servicing £2k
Total 43.6
Toyota
32k
21k fuel
Service 4k
Total 57k
now it's over simplification and both of us would take the toyoboata but the Tesla is the cheaper car - I assume both at 10 years old / 100k are worth £7k ISH based on nowt, no crystal ball
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The Clio starts at £18k for the cheapest one, and I guess is similar size? Add in costs of fuelling, and it seems about right to me.
What's most interesting about the 5 is the bisexual AC charging, meaning you can use it as a (from Top Gear Mag)
What's most interesting about the 5 is the bisexual AC charging, meaning you can use it as a (from Top Gear Mag)
"as a power bank to charge when energy’s cheap and sell it back to the grid when demand is high. Result: potentially significant savings on your energy bill, and who doesn’t like the sound of that?"
