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Old Oct 26, 2020 | 08:49 AM
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Like most things - it's probably got naff all in the way of door panel sound deadening ( adds cost and weight) and probably doesn't have a decent amp or speakers, output quoted in PMPO by any chance??? Combined with what is probably at the 'MEH' end of install quality in the first place and you end up with what you have. It's a crying shame because from a looks / input / media access point of view it's bang on.

Presuming you can't set X-over either

https://www.hondaeforums.com/viewtopic.php@arsie that's one of the few links i can find discussing it.

For reference I threw the following in my Del Sol, 1 pair of Pioneer mids and tweeters ( £50) , 1 pair of Pioneer 3 ways in the rear (£30), a new Kenwood BT headunit (£150 on offer) and about £100 worth of sound deadening and it sounds bang on. No distortion even at pretty much full volume. I might add an underseat sub at some point and set X-over on the Headunit to filter the bass away from the main speakers but it really doesn't need it.

At the price you are paying for that E and based on how new it is, i'd be expecting better - anyone sat in a Tesla and almost deafened themselves with the kit they fit?

Poor show from Honda again.
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Old Oct 26, 2020 | 09:39 AM
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I've remembered the last Jazz I drove had horrible sound, too.

By comparison, the Krell system in the last Legend was said to be excellent. Slight drawback in that all the screen menus would be in Japanese and the sat nav/radio probably wouldn't work at all. And the electric-only range is a tad shorter.
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Old Nov 1, 2020 | 09:05 AM
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Honda E on Top Gear tonight.
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Old Nov 1, 2020 | 01:15 PM
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Decent enough review covering pretty much most of what we know.. Too dear, short range, but cute-ish. That's it.

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Old Nov 1, 2020 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by s2k4tony
Decent enough review covering pretty much most of what we know.. Too dear, short range, but cute-ish. That's it.
You're having a laugh aren't you? "Review" is something TG haven't done for a few decades now

A short but very capable driver, a bulimic ex cricketer and a once very good TV comic arent really the lads i'd turn to on such a decision. Or any decision

The assertion about early adoption is interesting but as it has so far gone the batteries don't get cheaper they just get more KW dense.. so better range. See the Leaf.

If you compare it to the Mini and Corsa it's the only one of the 3 with a custom plank which gives it better weight distribution and better handling. If you compare to the Leaf it is better in almost every way to me but has a worse range. The price is comparable.

Electric cars do command a premium but don't need an oil change and run very cheap but you have to compare apples with apples and that is difficult with the e prop. It's not a Corsa.










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Old Nov 1, 2020 | 02:48 PM
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Nor do they get scrotes jacking them up and sawing out the catalytic converter
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Old Nov 1, 2020 | 10:17 PM
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Sorry Nott, on this one i disagree. For most buyers, an e-car is just that. An electric car. They'd be more inclined to go for the Mini and the Corsa because it's familiar and also electric. Sadly i think Hondas sales will reflect this and I reckon 2nd hand values in 12 to 24 months will mirrorwhat the CR-Z did and nose dive.

Rent one if you want one but buying one outright with your own hard earned is a massive gamble.The only true E cars for me at the moment are the Tesla stuff as it's suitably different but with proper performance and range with nothing prior to compare it to so people are happy to pay more accordingly. However their prices are not in the 'car for the people' range.

Given the current corona virus scenario, it's going to be a hard sell for any manufacturer to persuade someone that dumping 26K+ into a drive ornament is a good idea.
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Old Nov 1, 2020 | 11:29 PM
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You could be right on deprec, i dunno.

demand for booze and netflix will be strong for this winter but my cars share the school run and my bikes dont move at all and that aint about to change so i agree on the ornament front. This would get used more than them though (but still not much). But no way i am spending 30k ish at the mo and the rentals are a shit deal i think
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Old Nov 1, 2020 | 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Nottm_S2
You're having a laugh aren't you? "Review" is something TG haven't done for a few decades now

A short but very capable driver, a bulimic ex cricketer and a once very good TV comic arent really the lads i'd turn to on such a decision. Or any decision

The assertion about early adoption is interesting but as it has so far gone the batteries don't get cheaper they just get more KW dense.. so better range. See the Leaf.

If you compare it to the Mini and Corsa it's the only one of the 3 with a custom plank which gives it better weight distribution and better handling. If you compare to the Leaf it is better in almost every way to me but has a worse range. The price is comparable.

Electric cars do command a premium but don't need an oil change and run very cheap but you have to compare apples with apples and that is difficult with the e prop. It's not a Corsa.
Agree regarding the TG sentiment - they'll have to ask Quentin back! They do fart around far too much, tbh the last 3 loons that we still see floating around on Dave were no different.

My problem with leccy cars - plugging the damn things in. The long time charge, the inconvenience that this can and will cause. Many live in houses that don't have a garage or even a driveway. The self-charging hybrids are IMO really the way
forward, if there ever is to be a 'forward' with this E revolution.
If solar can be tapped into,and I know Tesla are considering a u-turn on their theories that solar doesnt add enough range, it may be the breakthru that Honda and the likes will look into. Hyundai have been brave enough with their solar attempt. A car that can run forever is probably doable in the next 30 years. Downsides are in NW England it rains... Alot. Great in California, a flop in northern blighty.
Me though-- 27k. Alot of better ways of spending that cash on a car. OK - if you MUST get an E car, buy used for now, around 10k. It doesn't matter if its a Leaf or whatever. Its just a carriage with no bells and whistles. That leaves 17k for something a bit more fun.
Plenty of choice for that dosh. Do research.. Lots. And invest in an appreciating classic. It'll pay for your electric car must-have in the long term.
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Old Nov 2, 2020 | 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by s2k4tony
Agree regarding the TG sentiment - they'll have to ask Quentin back! They do fart around far too much, tbh the last 3 loons that we still see floating around on Dave were no different.

My problem with leccy cars - plugging the damn things in. The long time charge, the inconvenience that this can and will cause. Many live in houses that don't have a garage or even a driveway. The self-charging hybrids are IMO really the way
forward, if there ever is to be a 'forward' with this E revolution.
If solar can be tapped into,and I know Tesla are considering a u-turn on their theories that solar doesnt add enough range, it may be the breakthru that Honda and the likes will look into. Hyundai have been brave enough with their solar attempt. A car that can run forever is probably doable in the next 30 years. Downsides are in NW England it rains... Alot. Great in California, a flop in northern blighty.
Me though-- 27k. Alot of better ways of spending that cash on a car. OK - if you MUST get an E car, buy used for now, around 10k. It doesn't matter if its a Leaf or whatever. Its just a carriage with no bells and whistles. That leaves 17k for something a bit more fun.
Plenty of choice for that dosh. Do research.. Lots. And invest in an appreciating classic. It'll pay for your electric car must-have in the long term.
Good sense however at 75 yo next birthday (no party planned even with the rule of 6) I had cash to spare and wanted to try a little local runaround, which is half of our miles. The moho/Smart combi does long trips (when we are allowed out!) and getting into a big £50k proper car like a Jag or Tesla was sort of a been there done it in terms of long range GT trips. My last BMW paid more than half of the moho new for cash.

Getting back into an S was an impulse, as you can see I did have an appreciating well almost classic as per my signature but couldn't do the car justice. Truth to tell I am not a dedicated fettler. Cost of the S was approaching £1,500 pa even going nowhere, just for tax, insurance and the annual service/MOT by Honda. It needed the gravel rash fixing also headlight covers were laminating where the previous owner had applied something and other niggly things. So in the end the add cost of getting into an 'e' while I still can - oh and getting in and out of the S was becoming a struggle - was about half of the admittedly expensive list price. I did toy with the idea of finance but it was loaded heavily against the punter and keeping the S as well would have been too many cars. It has genuinely gone to a better home and sold via the S2KUK site which is a better shop window than here! The buyer sent me an email or two of his triumphs but these have dried up so I just hope nothing major has gone wrong (or COVID ). At 23k miles genuine it was definitely worth investing a couple of £k to bring it up to pristine and recoup that expenditure and more. I was not the right owner and it was beginning to bug me as it would have needed a proper brake job, alignment etc all the usual. That reminds me I must check the MOT went ok it was due by now.

Just my justification it is a super little thing apart from the shyte audio which typically the three loons didn't try - too busy listening to themselves spouting rubbish
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