the Official "NA Tuning" thread
Originally Posted by versionJDM,Jul 4 2006, 09:59 AM
EMS is a great tuning tool. silver9K has a fully tuned EMS and he picked up great power. he is 5-6whp up on me. being able to fiddle with timing a couple degrees. best of luck to ya.
). So, I put my stock exhaust back on...I must say, it sounds great...I love it with the intake, and I've also got the stock cat on as well. So I'm probably down at least 10whp from before. But its quiet now, and looks nicer...and I can sell the exhaust to save up and get my 4.57'sAnd I do still have the EMS on, I have to say that the car doesn't really FEEL like it lost power, even though it had to have.
Originally Posted by Silver9k,Jul 4 2006, 10:48 PM
doesn't really FEEL like it lost power, even though it had to have.
<=== Unhappy camper here. I wasn't even going to post this because I am pretty pissed, but what the hell here are my recent dyno results:
Toda header, J's test pipe, AEM CAI, Invidia, Hondata IMG, Hondata ECU reflash: 225rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Toda header, AEM CAI, Spugen single 3" header-back with HKS titanium muffler, Hondata IMG, Hondata ECU reflash: 213rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Toda header, AEM CAI, Spugen single 3" header-back with HKS titanium muffler, Hondata IMG, AEM EMS: 216rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Bottom line is this particuliar single exhaust has caused a significant loss in power.
Toda header, J's test pipe, AEM CAI, Invidia, Hondata IMG, Hondata ECU reflash: 225rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Toda header, AEM CAI, Spugen single 3" header-back with HKS titanium muffler, Hondata IMG, Hondata ECU reflash: 213rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Toda header, AEM CAI, Spugen single 3" header-back with HKS titanium muffler, Hondata IMG, AEM EMS: 216rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Bottom line is this particuliar single exhaust has caused a significant loss in power.
Originally Posted by 2QYK4U,Jul 5 2006, 01:32 PM
<=== Unhappy camper here. I wasn't even going to post this because I am pretty pissed, but what the hell here are my recent dyno results:
Toda header, J's test pipe, AEM CAI, Invidia, Hondata IMG, Hondata ECU reflash: 225rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Toda header, AEM CAI, Spugen single 3" header-back with HKS titanium muffler, Hondata IMG, Hondata ECU reflash: 213rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Toda header, AEM CAI, Spugen single 3" header-back with HKS titanium muffler, Hondata IMG, AEM EMS: 216rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Bottom line is this particuliar single exhaust has caused a significant loss in power.
Toda header, J's test pipe, AEM CAI, Invidia, Hondata IMG, Hondata ECU reflash: 225rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Toda header, AEM CAI, Spugen single 3" header-back with HKS titanium muffler, Hondata IMG, Hondata ECU reflash: 213rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Toda header, AEM CAI, Spugen single 3" header-back with HKS titanium muffler, Hondata IMG, AEM EMS: 216rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Bottom line is this particuliar single exhaust has caused a significant loss in power.
Originally Posted by 2QYK4U,Jul 5 2006, 03:32 PM
<=== Unhappy camper here. I wasn't even going to post this because I am pretty pissed, but what the hell here are my recent dyno results:
Toda header, J's test pipe, AEM CAI, Invidia, Hondata IMG, Hondata ECU reflash: 225rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Toda header, AEM CAI, Spugen single 3" header-back with HKS titanium muffler, Hondata IMG, Hondata ECU reflash: 213rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Toda header, AEM CAI, Spugen single 3" header-back with HKS titanium muffler, Hondata IMG, AEM EMS: 216rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Bottom line is this particuliar single exhaust has caused a significant loss in power.
Toda header, J's test pipe, AEM CAI, Invidia, Hondata IMG, Hondata ECU reflash: 225rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Toda header, AEM CAI, Spugen single 3" header-back with HKS titanium muffler, Hondata IMG, Hondata ECU reflash: 213rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Toda header, AEM CAI, Spugen single 3" header-back with HKS titanium muffler, Hondata IMG, AEM EMS: 216rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Bottom line is this particuliar single exhaust has caused a significant loss in power.
70mm is max you would want for NA or 2.5in
On FI your turbo provides the backpressure to the motor . You want no backpresure after the turbo so not to slowdown the compressor .
Bigger is not always better . Like I have said before ....What works for FI does not always work for NA and vice versa.
Jaun, the Beast has landed , I will send you some pic's when I start on it . I will let you know what we find with the ITB's

Originally Posted by 2QYK4U,Jul 5 2006, 01:32 PM
<=== Unhappy camper here. I wasn't even going to post this because I am pretty pissed, but what the hell here are my recent dyno results:
Toda header, J's test pipe, AEM CAI, Invidia, Hondata IMG, Hondata ECU reflash: 225rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Toda header, AEM CAI, Spugen single 3" header-back with HKS titanium muffler, Hondata IMG, Hondata ECU reflash: 213rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Toda header, AEM CAI, Spugen single 3" header-back with HKS titanium muffler, Hondata IMG, AEM EMS: 216rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Bottom line is this particuliar single exhaust has caused a significant loss in power.
Toda header, J's test pipe, AEM CAI, Invidia, Hondata IMG, Hondata ECU reflash: 225rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Toda header, AEM CAI, Spugen single 3" header-back with HKS titanium muffler, Hondata IMG, Hondata ECU reflash: 213rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Toda header, AEM CAI, Spugen single 3" header-back with HKS titanium muffler, Hondata IMG, AEM EMS: 216rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Bottom line is this particuliar single exhaust has caused a significant loss in power.
You already know what my S put down when I had my mods minus an ecu like yours. You think I would have dynoed less if I had an ecu at the time? I think there may be something wrong here.
3" is not enough backpressure as stated. The 70mm is equivalent to 2.76 inches actually.
In that Megan dyno, the owner lost .71 lbs of boost and the temp was 20 degrees hotter. They lost 2rwhp. The header should be good for 6-9 I am thinking.
Version, what size inlet/outlet is the muffler? We both need to get our asses to a dyno
In that Megan dyno, the owner lost .71 lbs of boost and the temp was 20 degrees hotter. They lost 2rwhp. The header should be good for 6-9 I am thinking.
Version, what size inlet/outlet is the muffler? We both need to get our asses to a dyno
Originally Posted by 2QYK4U,Jul 5 2006, 04:32 PM
<=== Unhappy camper here. I wasn't even going to post this because I am pretty pissed, but what the hell here are my recent dyno results:
Toda header, J's test pipe, AEM CAI, Invidia, Hondata IMG, Hondata ECU reflash: 225rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Toda header, AEM CAI, Spugen single 3" header-back with HKS titanium muffler, Hondata IMG, Hondata ECU reflash: 213rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Toda header, AEM CAI, Spugen single 3" header-back with HKS titanium muffler, Hondata IMG, AEM EMS: 216rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Bottom line is this particuliar single exhaust has caused a significant loss in power.
Toda header, J's test pipe, AEM CAI, Invidia, Hondata IMG, Hondata ECU reflash: 225rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Toda header, AEM CAI, Spugen single 3" header-back with HKS titanium muffler, Hondata IMG, Hondata ECU reflash: 213rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Toda header, AEM CAI, Spugen single 3" header-back with HKS titanium muffler, Hondata IMG, AEM EMS: 216rwhp (dyno dynamics)
Bottom line is this particuliar single exhaust has caused a significant loss in power.
The exhaust is a defenate letdown. I suspected 3" is too big, but more so due to the flow charteristics of our engines...we only flow 634.711 cfm at full song. A 3" exhaust is probably slowing the exhaust flow enough to build enough backpressure to cause the performance hit your dyno is proving.
Originally Posted by afwfjustin,Jul 5 2006, 03:19 PM
3" is not enough backpressure as stated. The 70mm is equivalent to 2.76 inches actually.
In that Megan dyno, the owner lost .71 lbs of boost and the temp was 20 degrees hotter. They lost 2rwhp. The header should be good for 6-9 I am thinking.
Version, what size inlet/outlet is the muffler? We both need to get our asses to a dyno
In that Megan dyno, the owner lost .71 lbs of boost and the temp was 20 degrees hotter. They lost 2rwhp. The header should be good for 6-9 I am thinking.
Version, what size inlet/outlet is the muffler? We both need to get our asses to a dyno



