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Old Jan 10, 2015 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by CoolGuy094
Originally Posted by Spaceman2345' timestamp='1420944573' post='23463541
Hi everyone,
I tried to find the answer to my questions in this thread, but I could not.
I plan on supercharging my AP1, CT Supercharger, and have it at stock 6psi boost due to SMOG/CARB regulations in So Cal. I will not have an aftermarket EMS, ill be running my OEM ECU. At 6psi, I should not have any issues.
My question is: I would like to have an AEM AFR gauge and a AEM Boost gauge installed.
Will the OEM ECU be able to give accurate calculations to these gauges??? Or will the OEM ECU have difficulties providing numbers to the gauges?

Thank You,
Those gauges don't get any kind of signal from the ECU. The AFR uses its own wideband sensor and you run a boost line directly to the boost gauge.

I would recommend looking at the AEM Wideband Failsafe gauge. It is a boost gauge and AFR gauge in one unit. I loved mine.
http://www.aemelectronics.com/?q=pro...failsafe-gauge
Thank You CG094,
I just looked it up and it's freaking awesome.
I did have a concern, might be a silly question, but being from So Cal,i have to ask. Is this gauge SMOG Legal? I also asked because on the link you attached, the page stated at the bottom "THIS PRODUCT MAY BE USED SOLELY ON VEHICLES USED IN SANCTIONED COMPETITION WHICH MAY NEVER BE USED UPON A PUBLIC ROAD OR HIGHWAY, UNLESS PERMITTED BY SPECIFIC REGULATORY EXEMPTION (VISIT THE EMISSIONS PAGE AT HTTP://WWW.SEMASAN.COM/EMISSIONS FOR STATE BY STATE DETAILS. INSTALLERS/USERS LOCATED OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES SHOULD ACT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEIR LOCAL LAWS AND REGULATIONS.
IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE INSTALLER AND/OR USER OF THIS PRODUCT TO ENSURE THAT IT IS USED IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE LAWS AND REGULATIONS, AND THIS PRODUCT MUST NOT BE PURCHASED IF THE INTENT IS TO USE IT IN AN UNLAWFUL MANNER." I would hate the headache when smog comes around. Please advise.

Thanks!
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Old Jan 10, 2015 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Spaceman2345
Originally Posted by CoolGuy094' timestamp='1420946398' post='23463560
[quote name='Spaceman2345' timestamp='1420944573' post='23463541']
Hi everyone,
I tried to find the answer to my questions in this thread, but I could not.
I plan on supercharging my AP1, CT Supercharger, and have it at stock 6psi boost due to SMOG/CARB regulations in So Cal. I will not have an aftermarket EMS, ill be running my OEM ECU. At 6psi, I should not have any issues.
My question is: I would like to have an AEM AFR gauge and a AEM Boost gauge installed.
Will the OEM ECU be able to give accurate calculations to these gauges??? Or will the OEM ECU have difficulties providing numbers to the gauges?

Thank You,
Those gauges don't get any kind of signal from the ECU. The AFR uses its own wideband sensor and you run a boost line directly to the boost gauge.

I would recommend looking at the AEM Wideband Failsafe gauge. It is a boost gauge and AFR gauge in one unit. I loved mine.
http://www.aemelectronics.com/?q=pro...failsafe-gauge
Thank You CG094,
I just looked it up and it's freaking awesome.
I did have a concern, might be a silly question, but being from So Cal,i have to ask. Is this gauge SMOG Legal? I also asked because on the link you attached, the page stated at the bottom "THIS PRODUCT MAY BE USED SOLELY ON VEHICLES USED IN SANCTIONED COMPETITION WHICH MAY NEVER BE USED UPON A PUBLIC ROAD OR HIGHWAY, UNLESS PERMITTED BY SPECIFIC REGULATORY EXEMPTION (VISIT THE EMISSIONS PAGE AT HTTP://WWW.SEMASAN.COM/EMISSIONS FOR STATE BY STATE DETAILS. INSTALLERS/USERS LOCATED OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES SHOULD ACT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEIR LOCAL LAWS AND REGULATIONS.
IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE INSTALLER AND/OR USER OF THIS PRODUCT TO ENSURE THAT IT IS USED IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE LAWS AND REGULATIONS, AND THIS PRODUCT MUST NOT BE PURCHASED IF THE INTENT IS TO USE IT IN AN UNLAWFUL MANNER." I would hate the headache when smog comes around. Please advise.

Thanks!
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Forgot to mention, I did look at the EMISSIONS PAGE Link and it did not state a thing :/
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Old Jan 14, 2015 | 12:36 PM
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my car has been turocharged for about 2500 miles and in the past few weeks it has been idling rich and now it bogs on the low rpm before I start to build boost. I've change my oil and spark plugs as I thought it was the reasons. If you guys could give any input on what could be the reason. Afr is around 10-12 at idle only and regular cruising is still around 14-15. Car was running fine when I got it back but when the temp changed it all of a sudden started acting weird. I'm running e85 on id1000 with aem 320 fuel pump. Was tuned by mike at autowave. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Old Jan 14, 2015 | 12:56 PM
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This is a question mostly focused on the supercharged guys, though in terms of longevity I'd love to hear from anyone with experience.

I'm taking a good hard look at going to a lightweight LiFePO4 battery, as my old lead acid is on its last legs anyway. The Shorai and Battery Tender are the only ones I've come across, but with almost no mention of the Battery Tender one. Does anyone that is supercharged have experience with either of these batteries? Do they have the oompf to get the engine fired up reliably?

My car isn't daily driven, and while I'm not wild about having to keep a battery tender hooked up, the $100 premium and 24lb weight savings are probably worth that sacrifice, so long as it will be reliable. I'd also like to know I can trust it for more than 2 years, but I don't think either has been on the market long enough to have any data to that regard.
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Old Jan 15, 2015 | 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by RAIN H8R
Hey guys, ive been away for a while but im looking to up the boost to do a comparison to brians ap2 with the tts c38-92 kit at identical boost levels. I want to see the n1200 win!

To max out the n1200 blower at 52k rpm at engine speed 8500rpm i need a 3.15 pulley. Who can i reach out to for having this done?

Also, any links to people running e85 with a near identical setup to mine? I want to see if i can get around 500whp with just a large pump and id1000s. I have stock 00-05 fuel lines so im not sure it is possible. I have a race in spring against a certain 97 ws6 trans am i must win haha.

Im willing to buy a pump and thats it. I do NOT want to buy new injectors.

Thanks guys.
Well I had the Novi 1220 pretty much maxed around 16-18 PSI with my E85 build, ID1000's, Walbro 255, 50 PSI base fuel pressure (AEM FPR), stock lines. I was hitting around the 430's WHP. I think with the Novi 1200 and if you put that big Walbro E85 rated pump in there (its something in the low 400 LPH) and toyed around with the fuel pressure a bit, I think you could edge up close to your 500 WHP number without swapping the injectors. Now it would be a lot easier if you just went ahead and upgraded them, but I understand where you're coming from. The Trans Am won't stand a chance (if its stock, lol).


Originally Posted by MBHs2k
Originally Posted by MBHs2k' timestamp='1419899603' post='23450642
Hey guys i need a little help diagnosing a small issue I've been having on my SC s2000. The past few weeks or so, the AFR have been fluctuating a lot during cruising speeds. Sometime it will be perfect in the 14s AFR. Other times it's will run very rich. When cruising at a steady speed, my gauge reads that the motor can't keep a constant AFR. It goes up and down up and down even though my speed isn't changing. It does the same during idle as well. It will drop into the 10s or 11s and stay there for a few minutes but eventually work itself back up to 13-14s. When cruising with no throttle, the car used to put no fuel into the system. Now the injectors aren't shutting down and the car keeps pushing gas into the system. During WOT the car runs great and has no issues. Like I said, sometimes the car is running great and other times it's having this issue.
So far all I've done is replace my Wideband sensor to see if it wasn't working well but hasn't solved anything. My car was last tuned 16 months ago and has been flawless until now. I live in socal so weather changes shouldn't be a problem. I'm wondering if the fuel pump is failing or starting to have problems. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
So for about 10 days now the car has driven flawlessly just like it did before. No harm no foul I guess
That sounds like a dirty injector? Not seeing full lean when coasting in gear means gas is still making it into the cylinder, i.e. the injector is stuck open or leaking. Maybe you had some gunk in your tank of gas and it gummed an injector? If its working better now then maybe it has already cleared out. You can run a bottle of Techron injector cleaner through your next tank of gas to be on the safe side.


Originally Posted by Spaceman2345
Originally Posted by Spaceman2345' timestamp='1420955050' post='23463639
[quote name='CoolGuy094' timestamp='1420946398' post='23463560']
[quote name='Spaceman2345' timestamp='1420944573' post='23463541']
Hi everyone,
I tried to find the answer to my questions in this thread, but I could not.
I plan on supercharging my AP1, CT Supercharger, and have it at stock 6psi boost due to SMOG/CARB regulations in So Cal. I will not have an aftermarket EMS, ill be running my OEM ECU. At 6psi, I should not have any issues.
My question is: I would like to have an AEM AFR gauge and a AEM Boost gauge installed.
Will the OEM ECU be able to give accurate calculations to these gauges??? Or will the OEM ECU have difficulties providing numbers to the gauges?

Thank You,
Those gauges don't get any kind of signal from the ECU. The AFR uses its own wideband sensor and you run a boost line directly to the boost gauge.

I would recommend looking at the AEM Wideband Failsafe gauge. It is a boost gauge and AFR gauge in one unit. I loved mine.
http://www.aemelectronics.com/?q=pro...failsafe-gauge
Thank You CG094,
I just looked it up and it's freaking awesome.
I did have a concern, might be a silly question, but being from So Cal,i have to ask. Is this gauge SMOG Legal? I also asked because on the link you attached, the page stated at the bottom "THIS PRODUCT MAY BE USED SOLELY ON VEHICLES USED IN SANCTIONED COMPETITION WHICH MAY NEVER BE USED UPON A PUBLIC ROAD OR HIGHWAY, UNLESS PERMITTED BY SPECIFIC REGULATORY EXEMPTION (VISIT THE EMISSIONS PAGE AT HTTP://WWW.SEMASAN.COM/EMISSIONS FOR STATE BY STATE DETAILS. INSTALLERS/USERS LOCATED OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES SHOULD ACT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEIR LOCAL LAWS AND REGULATIONS.
IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE INSTALLER AND/OR USER OF THIS PRODUCT TO ENSURE THAT IT IS USED IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE LAWS AND REGULATIONS, AND THIS PRODUCT MUST NOT BE PURCHASED IF THE INTENT IS TO USE IT IN AN UNLAWFUL MANNER." I would hate the headache when smog comes around. Please advise.

Thanks!
[/quote]

Forgot to mention, I did look at the EMISSIONS PAGE Link and it did not state a thing :/
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Manufacturers put those warnings on everything car-related now. You'll see frickin tire valve stems that say "off-road use only", its ridiculous. I don't see a reason why having a wideband gauge would be against emissions or safety regulations UNLESS you replace one of the car's existing O2 sensors with the wideband sensor. But if you just add a bung for the wideband sensor in addition to the other existing primary and secondary O2 sensors on the car, then I don't see how its violating anything. Now, I know NOTHING about you damn Californians and your SMOG stuff, so I can't really help there. But again, if you aren't defeating, deleting, or bypassing the existing O2 sensors on the car, then I don't see how it would violate anything.


Originally Posted by ground_control
my car has been turocharged for about 2500 miles and in the past few weeks it has been idling rich and now it bogs on the low rpm before I start to build boost. I've change my oil and spark plugs as I thought it was the reasons. If you guys could give any input on what could be the reason. Afr is around 10-12 at idle only and regular cruising is still around 14-15. Car was running fine when I got it back but when the temp changed it all of a sudden started acting weird. I'm running e85 on id1000 with aem 320 fuel pump. Was tuned by mike at autowave. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Have you been through a tank of new gas recently, or are the problems you're experiencing all on an older tank of gas? E85 has a tendency to absorb water if it sits long enough and is exposed to humid environments. Otherwise it could potentially be coilpacks kicking the bucket or dirty fuel injectors as mentioned above. I know when one of my coilpacks started going out it would only give me issues at idle and the mix would jump richer. It could also just be the weather change and you needing to have your tune touched up. For me my E85 tune was always a little more sensitive to temperature changes than any of my 93 octane tunes.


Originally Posted by Habitforming
This is a question mostly focused on the supercharged guys, though in terms of longevity I'd love to hear from anyone with experience.

I'm taking a good hard look at going to a lightweight LiFePO4 battery, as my old lead acid is on its last legs anyway. The Shorai and Battery Tender are the only ones I've come across, but with almost no mention of the Battery Tender one. Does anyone that is supercharged have experience with either of these batteries? Do they have the oompf to get the engine fired up reliably?

My car isn't daily driven, and while I'm not wild about having to keep a battery tender hooked up, the $100 premium and 24lb weight savings are probably worth that sacrifice, so long as it will be reliable. I'd also like to know I can trust it for more than 2 years, but I don't think either has been on the market long enough to have any data to that regard.
I don't have experience with either of those, but I had one of those Deka AGM batteries for a long time in my supercharged S. I never had a single issue with it, even when it sat for a week + between autocrosses. It would crank right up, albeit sometimes a little slower to turn over. Even in cold weather (car was kept in a garage so it wasn't ever freezing or anything). I know there are a few others who run these batteries in the FI forum. You could also check the RC forum as many of them run smaller batteries.
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Old Jan 15, 2015 | 07:47 PM
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Thanks for the reply. I will try putting fuel injector cleaner in my next tank of gas and see how it runs. Will also try switching coil packs out to see if it makes a different. Thanks. Will be back with results
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Old Jan 16, 2015 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by omarisramo
Looks like my motor blew. red oil light came on. in the shop to see what actually happened. I"m hoping for the best, but am really discouraged. I was going to spend my money on some coil overs and some misc stuff but now looks like i'm gonna be in a hole.
Just an update. So engine was disassembled. Luckily for me, I saved the motor. Looks like i'm going to have to polish the crank and get new bearings. According to my mechanic, the bearings delaminated themselves. Long story short, taking the crank and head and a few other pieces to the machine shop to clean things up. Once thats all done, it will be on the road with the turbo kit installed.
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Old Jan 17, 2015 | 06:02 AM
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Thanks for the thoughts everyone!

As for the trans am...we have some history ;-) He now has built heads, a cam, a 4k stall and some other supporting mods. I plan to wipe the floor with him once and for all. He even wants to put some cash down!

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Old Jan 17, 2015 | 10:08 AM
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Dustin, i think your car in its current state should beat that ws6 still.

If you dont want to switch a lot of stuff, just try getting it tuned on e85.

Andy made 30whp more on a comptech n1000 with a 3.2" pulley just by switching to e85. Nothing else changed except for a tune.
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Old Jan 17, 2015 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Habitforming
This is a question mostly focused on the supercharged guys, though in terms of longevity I'd love to hear from anyone with experience.

I'm taking a good hard look at going to a lightweight LiFePO4 battery, as my old lead acid is on its last legs anyway. The Shorai and Battery Tender are the only ones I've come across, but with almost no mention of the Battery Tender one. Does anyone that is supercharged have experience with either of these batteries? Do they have the oompf to get the engine fired up reliably?

My car isn't daily driven, and while I'm not wild about having to keep a battery tender hooked up, the $100 premium and 24lb weight savings are probably worth that sacrifice, so long as it will be reliable. I'd also like to know I can trust it for more than 2 years, but I don't think either has been on the market long enough to have any data to that regard.
I've been running on a LifePO4 battery for just over a year now. Was using a Ballistic battery but switched to a Stinger battery. Ballistic stop making the charger needed to balance the cells and I had a hard time finding one so I switched to a battery that doesn't require balancing.

https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/105...elocation-diy/
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