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Old Aug 14, 2013 | 09:32 AM
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A few big names in autox you outpaxed there. Good job!
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Old Sep 17, 2013 | 05:16 PM
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Updates. Car felt great a Nats, Still running 295's on front 315's on back.
Did A fresh set of tires each day and 2nd and 3rd run was for sure magic!
I missed some apexs trying to flow in too much entry speed, but it helped to not have to get on the power too hard or early as a result. Diff held up through the Pro-Finale, despite me managing to let the points slip away on the final day.
I only have my 2nd and 3rd run recorded thanks to the awesomely glitchy gopro hero 3.
Car On the scales at race weight at nationals was 2540. The next bit will be to put back on the ultra light STR brake setup and get with jake dawson over finishing the rear setup.
New front brake kits are finally done and i called the first one of the bunch, complete with AP rotors to test
Open to questions but overall a very successful trip IMO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2daW0KSAJr8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJG58MYLKlo
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Old Sep 17, 2013 | 06:24 PM
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Car looked good out there. Excellent job this year sir!


Eric
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Old Sep 18, 2013 | 09:16 PM
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A little late to the UD/BD part of the discussion, but the cost is irrelevant. You are required to change manufacturer options in their *entirety*. This goes back to Section 13 Stock, specifically the words *totally complete*. The Miata deal is different. That was the entirety of the Club Sport option, a total delete. If the winning car was not complete then the vehicle was not in compliance. It could have easily gone a different direction if paperwork had been filed. This is more common than most people think. If you run without and have a championship snatched away because someone notices and files, will you think it wasn't worth the cost then?
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Old Sep 19, 2013 | 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by TeamZ4
A little late to the UD/BD part of the discussion, but the cost is irrelevant. You are required to change manufacturer options in their *entirety*. This goes back to Section 13 Stock, specifically the words *totally complete*. The Miata deal is different. That was the entirety of the Club Sport option, a total delete. If the winning car was not complete then the vehicle was not in compliance. It could have easily gone a different direction if paperwork had been filed. This is more common than most people think. If you run without and have a championship snatched away because someone notices and files, will you think it wasn't worth the cost then?
You are mistaken as Street prepared allows individual components to be ud/bd. We are not talking about street touring or stock here which requires complete package conversion

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Old Sep 19, 2013 | 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ConeKiller2
Originally Posted by TeamZ4' timestamp='1379567766' post='22785983
A little late to the UD/BD part of the discussion, but the cost is irrelevant. You are required to change manufacturer options in their *entirety*. This goes back to Section 13 Stock, specifically the words *totally complete*. The Miata deal is different. That was the entirety of the Club Sport option, a total delete. If the winning car was not complete then the vehicle was not in compliance. It could have easily gone a different direction if paperwork had been filed. This is more common than most people think. If you run without and have a championship snatched away because someone notices and files, will you think it wasn't worth the cost then?
You are mistaken as Street prepared allows individual components to be ud/bd. We are not talking about street touring or stock here which requires complete package conversion

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Correct, the verbal clarification I received at spring Nationals was "part for part" unless that part was included with a bunch of parts in a single part #. I had the catalog with me. The more we talk about it the more pissed off I get at the SCCA for wasting my time and money and giving us a different rule than the rest of SP. If you must replace a part with "all the parts meant for that replaced part" there are tons of illegal ud/bd examples.

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Old Sep 19, 2013 | 05:15 AM
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Yea the only thing you have to update in whole in street prepared is drivetrain stuff so you can't mix an ap1 head with an ap2 block for instance or mix and match gears from different years. The rest is open. No need for full package conversions. SP UP/BD is about best of breed, taking a model on a single line across all years and trims to make the best version of that car and that's what drew me into BSP because there are things about every trim of S2000 that I love.
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Old Sep 19, 2013 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by TeamZ4
A little late to the UD/BD part of the discussion, but the cost is irrelevant. You are required to change manufacturer options in their *entirety*. This goes back to Section 13 Stock, specifically the words *totally complete*. The Miata deal is different. That was the entirety of the Club Sport option, a total delete. If the winning car was not complete then the vehicle was not in compliance. It could have easily gone a different direction if paperwork had been filed. This is more common than most people think. If you run without and have a championship snatched away because someone notices and files, will you think it wasn't worth the cost then?
you sound a little too much of a D-bag to deserve owning an S2000. Your argument also does not pertain to any of the rules we discuss on this forum. Further, All of us on here have very detailed discussions on rules and modifications to ensure that all of our cars are extremely compliant with all rules. This extends in many occasions to forwarding our discussions to the SEB for final judgement. You will not find a car so thoroughly discussed on here that is not completely and clearly within compliance of the rules
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Old Sep 19, 2013 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by rrthorne8
Originally Posted by TeamZ4' timestamp='1379567766' post='22785983
A little late to the UD/BD part of the discussion, but the cost is irrelevant. You are required to change manufacturer options in their *entirety*. This goes back to Section 13 Stock, specifically the words *totally complete*. The Miata deal is different. That was the entirety of the Club Sport option, a total delete. If the winning car was not complete then the vehicle was not in compliance. It could have easily gone a different direction if paperwork had been filed. This is more common than most people think. If you run without and have a championship snatched away because someone notices and files, will you think it wasn't worth the cost then?
you sound a little too much of a D-bag to deserve owning an S2000. Your argument also does not pertain to any of the rules we discuss on this forum. Further, All of us on here have very detailed discussions on rules and modifications to ensure that all of our cars are extremely compliant with all rules. This extends in many occasions to forwarding our discussions to the SEB for final judgement. You will not find a car so thoroughly discussed on here that is not completely and clearly within compliance of the rules
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Old Sep 19, 2013 | 09:56 AM
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LoL. Here's the specific wording from the actual relevant part of the rules for street prepared 15.1.C so we don't create any kind of confusion. The only thing that needs to be updated/backdated as a unit in SP are engines/trannies/axles/unibodies. Each of those being separate things so it's ok to have different engines and trannies as long as you mate them without modifications but individually you cannot mix and match the components of those units. NOTE: The S2000 is listed as a single line with no differentiation to year or trim in Appendix A.

C. Equipment and/or specifications may be exchanged between different years and models of a vehicle if:
(a) the item is standard on the year/model from which it was taken,
and
(b) the years/models are listed on the same line of Appendix A, Street
Prepared Classes.
The updated/backdated part or the part to which it is to be attached
may not be altered, modified, machined, welded, or otherwise
changed to facilitate the updating/backdating allowance. Standard
factory installation methods, locations, and configurations are allowed. The updating and/or backdating of engines, transmissions,
transaxles, and/or unibodies must be done as a unit; component
parts and specifications of these units may not be interchanged.
Cars not listed in the Street Prepared sections of Appendix A may
not be updated/backdated until pproved by the SEB and published
in the official SCCA® publication.
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