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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotSH,Jan 14 2010, 04:12 PM
No, when I meant exaggerated, I was saying that it's too long. It doesn't go from bushing all the way to the mounting bolt of the upper mount, it goes out to the first point of metal contact with the chassis, which is where the upper mount becomes horizontal.

As for the stock guys, they don't have the choice to run upper spring perches, but we do, so why not? I'm more worried about how fast the seals will wear on my shocks, as the valving makes the internal pressures much higher than OEM. Dealing with blown shock is a PITA, esp becuase of the downtime required.

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While the line implies point contact (which is incorrect), its path is sound. The line (force) goes from the shock shaft to the washer (although the may transfer directly to the washer), to the lower 'top hat' bushing, to the 'top hat' metal structure, to the chassis. In the Honda exploded drawing this would be part numbers 4 to 8, to 6 to 7 to the chassis. If you are thinking something different, can you draw it on the image?

And the why not, is if it creates more issues than it solves (as speculated in a previous post).

Edit: added more stuff... fixed grammar.....made the world a better place.......
Old Jan 14, 2010 | 05:59 PM
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Feels like Christmas morning All that is missing now is a seat bracket for the Sparco, and a case of Amsoil for the diff.

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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 09:41 PM
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Wow, why can't my christmas look like that...
Old Jan 14, 2010 | 10:33 PM
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Would it be better? With the upper spring seat attached to the shock shaft, all of the spring force (including the weight of the car) is transmitted through the rubber bushing, instead of being transmitted directly to the chassis through the metal upper shock mount. In the stock configuration, only the damping forces (and gas pressure force) are transmitted through the rubber bushing.
Old Jan 15, 2010 | 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ComposiMo,Jan 3 2010, 08:55 PM
When I installed my Club Sports, I modified the stockers and they work perfect! The stock bushings are almost all metal and very sturdy... Not like a set of bushings in the top hat of a civic for instance...

http://www.johnwardracing.com/s2000/03Suspension.html

John Ward doesn't seem to have any problems with his setup. I am nowhere near my car, so I can't give my own opinion as to whether the bushings are suitable, but according to him they're pretty stiff. If I were to destroy one, replacements are cheap anyway.

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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotSH,Jan 14 2010, 04:12 PM
No, when I meant exaggerated, I was saying that it's too long. It doesn't go from bushing all the way to the mounting bolt of the upper mount, it goes out to the first point of metal contact with the chassis, which is where the upper mount becomes horizontal.
The contact between the top hat's metal section and the chassis is closer to the studs than the shock shaft. The load is a shear across the top hat's section until it meets the chassis.

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Would it be better?
Old Jan 15, 2010 | 05:30 AM
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The stock S2000 bushings have a lot of metal in them. The same bushings in a CRX are all rubber. I've mounted my shocks like John and have had no issues yet and I don't expect any.

Also, I choose to run 2.5" springs simply because of their popularity and abundance on the used market. I like to test spring rates... a lot.
Old Jan 15, 2010 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianGT,Jan 14 2010, 06:59 PM
Feels like Christmas morning All that is missing now is a seat bracket for the Sparco, and a case of Amsoil for the diff.
Brian - are you only running tender springs in the rear? I had them on all 4 corners when I had the aftermarket springs on my car. The front's don't absolutely need them, as with the front bar connected the spring doesn't uncouple with a wheel in the air, but it's still nice to have them to locate the springs when you take the car off stands.

Definitely need them in the rear though, I could see the tender spring extend when I had one side in the air for tire changes.

On the spring loading discussion, I'm curious how those with aftermarket springs and no upper perch are making them work with the OE hat. I machined some spring isolators out of Al on the lathe to do it on mine(mainly so it would be easy for me to swap back to stock ride height without moving the lower perch). I don't see how it would be possible to seat the spring correctly if you didn't.

You can see the isolator in this pic, and you can also see the tender spring doing its work, this is with one side in the air:
Old Jan 15, 2010 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by alvanderp,Jan 15 2010, 09:20 AM
Brian - are you only running tender springs in the rear? I had them on all 4 corners when I had the aftermarket springs on my car. The front's don't absolutely need them, as with the front bar connected the spring doesn't uncouple with a wheel in the air, but it's still nice to have them to locate the springs when you take the car off stands.

Definitely need them in the rear though, I could see the tender spring extend when I had one side in the air for tire changes.
Why can't you just move the lower spring pearch up higher to compensate, in place of the tender spring?
Old Jan 15, 2010 | 09:17 AM
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I put them on all 4 corners on my civic, but I was thinking only to put them in the rear on the S2000.



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