I ran ST(S) when it was provisional. I ran STR when it was provisional. I ran STX when it was provisional. I'm used to it. I just think it's funny that I'll be running STR once again.

--kC

 

That still doesn't explain why Rick thinks that the classes like STU should be substantially faster than ST(S). Has anybody ever heard of an STU winning pax some where.... ever? Seems like they get beat by about 1 second in Pax with equal drivers in high prep cars. And this is over one day. At a tour they typically lose by 2 seconds.

Meh, in the end it doesn't really matter but I'll miss having a shot at local Pro class championships like we have in Atlanta where every single event has the feel of a tour.

 

It's Ricks Pax. You don't have to use it.

--kC
(He's never been a fan of street tires. Stinkin' tire squealers and all that...)

 

Good luck with actually implementing a local pax. It's puts all the "blame" on one fellow who can be held much more accountable due to the availability of his ear. That's not something many people are willing to take on. It's much easier to just blame it on Rick who is far away and nearly anonymous.

 

He seems to be a fan of his own class though, somehow CP got significantly easier comparatively even though Maier was 4th overall at Nats...

 

Nice... I guess it's a perk of the responsibility.

 

In Philly Region (which has a large number of competitive national drivers) Corey Ridgick won Driver of the year in an STU Evo, and won a lot of the events in PAX.

 

OK, so I guess there are no competitive people in ST(S) in philly.

 

Corey is definitely a good driver, but I think that proves Matt's point. Matt was only one tenth off STU in his CRX at Nats(and beat Corey on raw time), and Bill had the fastest raw time in all of the ST classes(.5 sec quicker than the STU winner), yet PAX would have you believe Bill should be the slowest, and by a significant amount from STU.

 

Rick's numbers are based on THEORETICAL performance guys. Don't forget that.

You have to analyze the numbers based on the MAX built car for the class. Right now - such a car doesn't exist in STU. Not one of them has gone through the development that the ST(S) cars have. Same with STX.

In theory - the 1850lb STS CRX w/9" shorter wheelbase should be faster than a 1920lb ST Civic. Has reality proved as such? Nope. But in theory it should be.

A 330WHP AWD 2900lb EVO should be faster than a ST(S) Honda. But is it? Not right now. Maybe in the future. But not right now.

Same thing goes for STR. In theory - a 2600lb S2000 with 220-230WHP should be faster than an ST(S) Honda (about 1sec on a 60sec course). Is it? IMO - yes. Given equal age/wear tires - I don't think it would be a problem.

I fully expect STR to eventually have a harder PAX than STU.


The guys who got off easy are the ones that stayed in BS. No way can we be within .3sec on a 50sec course of guys like Pfannenschmidt and the other top AS guys. IMO - the fastest STR S2000 would be in the trophies of BS at Nats - but not within .3sec of the leaders.