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Old Apr 6, 2010 | 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TheNick,Apr 6 2010, 07:34 PM
You never tried it with that little camber out back. If I remember correctly you started at 2.6 and still haven't backed it off much. I keep telling you man...
Yeah, but why would I want to give up grip? I don't get it. I'll admit, I can be dense at times.
Old Apr 7, 2010 | 05:55 AM
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It has absolutely nothing to do with giving up grip. Its about moving more grip to another phase of the corner and holding/sustaining it there longer.


I don't know about you but I'd much rather have a car I can sustain 1.2g's all the way through entry, mid, and exit rather than one where I peak at 1.25g mid corner and then fall off on corner entry and exit.
Old Apr 7, 2010 | 06:02 AM
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Wouldn't tire tempts indicate the right amount of camber? If it is more even then you know it isn't peaking on the inside or outside part of the tire.
Old Apr 7, 2010 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by TheNick,Apr 7 2010, 08:55 AM
It has absolutely nothing to do with giving up grip. Its about moving more grip to another phase of the corner and holding/sustaining it there longer.


I don't know about you but I'd much rather have a car I can sustain 1.2g's all the way through entry, mid, and exit rather than one where I peak at 1.25g mid corner and then fall off on corner entry and exit.
Ahhh.... I see what you're getting at. Interesting. I'll have to do some testing on that... right after I figure out what tire pressures I should be running. I still don't know that.
Old Apr 7, 2010 | 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by scareyourpassenger,Apr 7 2010, 09:02 AM
Wouldn't tire tempts indicate the right amount of camber? If it is more even then you know it isn't peaking on the inside or outside part of the tire.
Of course they will, but you need a combination of multiple infared tire temp gauges and an accelerometer/GPS based datalogger will show you though. Plot them next to each other and then you'll see where you moved grip.

Pyrometers are not all that useful, mainly because there are straightaways, braking zones and cool down time before you get back to your grid spot. I shoot for whatever camber gets me the handling balance I want. If it means more wear on the outside edge because I want more corner entry and exit grip, then so be it.

"After the run" tire temps should typically be 10-15deg hotter on the inside edge because of braking.
Old Apr 7, 2010 | 06:48 AM
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I have to raise my car's rear up and get a alignment, I definately have too much camber in the rear and even minimized it is too much.
Old Apr 7, 2010 | 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by glagola1,Apr 7 2010, 09:42 AM
Ahhh.... I see what you're getting at. Interesting. I'll have to do some testing on that... right after I figure out what tire pressures I should be running. I still don't know that.
You can thank Mr. Whipple for enlightening me a few years ago on this - he runs close to 0 camber on back of his Type-R because it keeps the car tight transitionally (body has not reach maximum roll angle, so very little camber gain or loss) and then loosens the car from mid-corner off (quite important on a 180+hp FWD car )
Old Apr 7, 2010 | 06:52 AM
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[QUOTE=glagola1,Apr 6 2010, 01:45 PM] FWIW, when I installed my shocks, I set the spring perches to the exact same height on both sides of car.
Old Apr 8, 2010 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Random1,Mar 29 2010, 05:04 PM
Is anyone else getting a rattling sound from the rear axles after lowering? It can be heard when driving slowly (5-10 MPH) and going over small bumps. I don't have the vibration issue (inner CV cup wear spots) which is more typical of lowering a car with more miles on it. At first I thought the sound was something with the shock top hats since it showed up after installing the shocks/springs and lowering.

It was driving me nuts, but I recently found that I could grab the axles and shake them which sounds similar to going over bumps at low speed.

I can shake the axles on my friends stock 08, but they are not as loose/loud sounding as mine.
I just saw this. I suspect that's the low-speed rattle I'm getting as well. I've also recently started to notice an on-power vibration to the car that i think may be the rear axles.

I have a set of spares that I'll try to install tonight... hopefully it'll be rattle and shake free for the tour this weekend.
Old Apr 8, 2010 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by glagola1,Apr 7 2010, 06:42 AM
Ahhh.... I see what you're getting at. Interesting. I'll have to do some testing on that... right after I figure out what tire pressures I should be running. I still don't know that.
Don't worry too much about tire pressure. I'd figure out a good alignment and stick with it. You can modulate tire pressure at each event. I.E. some courses are a lot tighter than others. On tight courses I lower front pressure and raise rear. I can usually tell by my first run what it's going to take to get the car to rotate how I want it. Some locals complain... because they say I'm "drifting." Of course, if I'm "drifting" and get top pax.. they usually shut up.



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