S2000 Racing and Competition The S2000 on the track and Solo circuit. Some of the fastest S2000 drivers in the world call this forum home.

S2000 STR prep resource

Thread Tools
 
Old Jul 9, 2010 | 07:31 AM
  #2221  
BrianGT's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 261
Likes: 0
From: Atlanta, GA
Default

Sounds like you need to have one each and pick the right one based on the course design.

For most of our local courses, I think that an AP2 would be superior, but for a course not requiring the AP1 to downshift to 1st, who knows.

-Brian
Old Jul 9, 2010 | 08:26 AM
  #2222  
daverx7's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,578
Likes: 1
From: Kentucky
Default

Originally Posted by BrianGT,Jul 9 2010, 11:31 AM
Sounds like you need to have one each and pick the right one based on the course design.

For most of our local courses, I think that an AP2 would be superior, but for a course not requiring the AP1 to downshift to 1st, who knows.

-Brian
With the recent events I've gone to, I just have not been able to take advantage of the AP1 taller gearing... and with the reflash, it really isn't that much taller.... maybe a little.

I was going to punt on the AP1 before the Blytheville NT and not develop it... until I saw how good Tommy drove your wife's 2001. Once I saw that, I bought CAI, Berk Cat, muffler removal with turn down pipe, VAFCII, mounted the tires on the 949's and got it all ready just in time for Peru. To my disappointment, I still was sucking wind with the lack of low end TQ and lack of driver skill. Was it just me or was that course the suckage for our S2000, esp the AP1? I've already admitted to my lack of driving skills, so I know that was a large contributor as well.

I do have room for one more mod that could apply to both AP1 and 06+... a header, but the one I want is $1400. The diff will have to come later once I make up my mind.

-D
Old Jul 9, 2010 | 08:36 AM
  #2223  
glagola1's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 2,246
Likes: 1
From: Atlanta
Default

Dave, don't sweat it. Just work on having fun. If you say your driving needs work, focus on that. I'm sure the AP1 will not be at that bad of a disadvantage over all.
Old Jul 9, 2010 | 08:36 AM
  #2224  
josh7owens's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 4,340
Likes: 0
From: Frankfort, KY
Default

from a money stand point dave I would campain your ap1 and just buy parts that will transfer over to a ap2 (cr ) for the next year or so and see how this plays out. No reason in spending a extra 10,000 or so on a car that might not prove to be worth it. although as I noob I know nothing
Old Jul 9, 2010 | 09:36 AM
  #2225  
daverx7's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,578
Likes: 1
From: Kentucky
Default

Good advice from you both...

I really need to give myself some time to adapt to street tires and all the available adjustments that STR allows.

This is just a hot point for me right now as I just got frustrated at Peru where I either was out of powerband (day 1) or doing the 2-1 downshift (day 2)... and good gawd street tires hate the downshift, esp. with the recent mods. For the downshift, I probably would have been better off not having the extra power goodies.

Maybe Nats would be better.... I've heard that NE is much, much, much bigger and grippier than KS. That just might work for the AP1. Too bad I didn't get any practice of that with the Peru NT.

Hmm... how to get much more seat time?

-Dave
Old Jul 9, 2010 | 10:28 AM
  #2226  
alvanderp's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 380
Likes: 0
From: Austin, TX
Default

Originally Posted by BrianGT,Jul 9 2010, 04:50 AM
How much different is the AP2 rear geometry? If we were to transfer over our AP1 setup to an AP2 would the car setup feel drastically different, will the higher spring rates and lower, more static ride height negate any significant change in behavior?`
I'll tell you this much, my car toes IN in the rear when I lower it. I thought I was misreading the alignment rack the first time I put the springs on the car, but I was able to repeat it this week as well. I can assure you that AP1's do not do this.
Old Jul 9, 2010 | 11:19 AM
  #2227  
captain_pants's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 626
Likes: 0
From: Winnipeg, MB, Canada
Default

Originally Posted by daverx7,Jul 9 2010, 11:36 AM
Good advice from you both...
This is just a hot point for me right now as I just got frustrated at Peru where I either was out of powerband (day 1) or doing the 2-1 downshift (day 2)... and good gawd street tires hate the downshift, esp. with the recent mods. For the downshift, I probably would have been better off not having the extra power goodies.
Out of the powerband in 1st? Or just that you didn't downshift?

Wow, did the intake/HFC/VAFC net you that much power? I still haven't got around to installing/tuning my VAFC but have the intake and HFC on the car now. Maybe I'll bump it up the priority list.

Another suggestion is to try to get a co-drive in a much more powerful car. It'll teach you throttle modulation in a hurry. I spent a season in a 500 hp Camaro on a mix of Hoosiers and Falken Azenis. Way too much fun! The mullet comes right off after the season without issue too.

Any track days near you on slower tracks? Running a 225 street tire all around will teach you proper throttle modulation.
Old Jul 9, 2010 | 11:56 AM
  #2228  
daverx7's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,578
Likes: 1
From: Kentucky
Default

[QUOTE=captain_pants,Jul 9 2010, 03:19 PM]Out of the powerband in 1st?
Old Jul 9, 2010 | 07:05 PM
  #2229  
Random1's Avatar
Member (Premium)
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 1,531
Likes: 3
From: Tucson
Default

Dave, if you DD your car you should practice the heel-toe down shift at every opportunity until it becomes a subconscious (second nature) behavior. It's actually much harder to do it when not at speed and hard on the brakes, so if you can get it on the street it will be awesome during autocross. If you don't DD your car well then just practice as much as you can off course.

I wish the rest of my driving was as good as my heel-toe down shifts!

Old Jul 9, 2010 | 08:20 PM
  #2230  
bronxbomber252's Avatar
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,865
Likes: 38
Default

Originally Posted by Random1,Jul 9 2010, 07:05 PM
Dave, if you DD your car you should practice the heel-toe down shift at every opportunity until it becomes a subconscious (second nature) behavior. It's actually much harder to do it when not at speed and hard on the brakes, so if you can get it on the street it will be awesome during autocross. If you don't DD your car well then just practice as much as you can off course.

I wish the rest of my driving was as good as my heel-toe down shifts!

THIS!!! i DD my STR car and I heal toe all the time... my friends think im showing off until they come to an autox and see it in action



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 06:37 AM.