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Old Jul 12, 2010 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Random1,Jul 9 2010, 11:05 PM
Dave, if you DD your car you should practice the heel-toe down shift at every opportunity until it becomes a subconscious (second nature) behavior. It's actually much harder to do it when not at speed and hard on the brakes, so if you can get it on the street it will be awesome during autocross. If you don't DD your car well then just practice as much as you can off course.
I rarely DD the S, but it does see the street from time to time... typically going to my co-driver's shop for setup tweaks. LOL

With race rubbah... well DOT competition tires, my okay heel-toe skills were good enough, but just like everything else streets really exposes lack of skills, so a trip or two to the Dragon is needed as there are a lot of places to do that in a similar mode as autocrossing. Looking forward to that practice.

Originally Posted by alvanderp
Dave - as to your grip question, yes Lincoln has a ton more grip than Heartland Park, but I'm not sure how it compares to Forbes. I don't know if anyone was doing enough datalogging back in the Forbes days to compare, but that place had stupid grip(as long as you weren't crossing a crater).
I had a good feeling that grip was going to be much better there... I am personally more concerned about course design. I hope that a more open course would help with the AP1's lack of TQ and allow us to stay above 6K. IMO, if the AP1 falls below that, we are at a major disadvantage. That is until we can get a real computer tune like the 06+ reflash. Oh I wish we could address that with the STR rules.

Originally Posted by pinkertonpunk
To me it doesn't feel as grippy as Forbes. Forbes was the only place I have been to that feels grippier than Peru actually. I loved it there!
Yeah, Peru has great potential for being a very good prep. for Lincoln, but the last two times I was there, to stay in the powerband, I had to down shift 4-7 times... depending how stupid I wanted to be.

I'll try to go to Peru one more time before Nats. I hope the designer decides to open it up so I can see more 2nd gear action, which I rarely see at our region.

Great stuff guys! Thanks again!

-Dave
Old Jul 12, 2010 | 08:16 AM
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Like others have said, heal-toe'ing is a whole lot harder under light braking while DD'ing. I just recently switched to Hawk hp+. First time on non stock pads with stronger bite. Brake pedal pressure is even lighter while DD'ing and I'm finding it much harder to be smooth.

Hopefully it feels about the same while racing. I haven't been to an event yet.
Old Jul 12, 2010 | 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by yellowdog,Jul 11 2010, 10:45 PM
Josh, that's a tight lot! Wonder if skipping one of the downshifts would have let you position the car better.
Josh is in my region and that was one of our fastest most open courses I've seen in awhile. Just to show how little time we see 2nd gear at our local events.

Josh, my downshifts are more at the end of the hard braking coming into the turn. That minimizes the amount of being slow/like costing entering the turn, but it is more frantic. That lot also is very tough on a car that is not on the soft side, so that just exaggerated the effect of having the early AP1's HUGE RSB on.

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Old Jul 12, 2010 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by daverx7,Jul 12 2010, 07:44 AM
I had a good feeling that grip was going to be much better there... I am personally more concerned about course design. I hope that a more open course would help with the AP1's lack of TQ and allow us to stay above 6K. IMO, if the AP1 falls below that, we are at a major disadvantage.
Peru has a bit of a strange shape to the available surface for course, so the courses rarely spend much time in the upper rev range of any car's 2nd gear(save a Mk2 MR2 or the like), much less an AP1 S2k.

Lincoln was a good mix of elements last year IMO, and will feel like you are going light speed compared to the lot in Josh's video.
Old Jul 12, 2010 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by alvanderp,Jul 12 2010, 12:54 PM
Peru has a bit of a strange shape to the available surface for course, so the courses rarely spend much time in the upper rev range of any car's 2nd gear(save a Mk2 MR2 or the like), much less an AP1 S2k.

Lincoln was a good mix of elements last year IMO, and will feel like you are going light speed compared to the lot in Josh's video.
Peru is an odd sight but loads of grip! I am no course designer, but I can bet that it would be difficult to give up the real estate and not use each of those "wings" off the sides, and just use a slalom or three (LOL) and skip some of them for some speed.

Yeah, I certainly struggle with the fast venues due to what I am used to... and hope that sneaking out of my near by regions and play at some larger sites will help me in the end to get read for Lincoln. I hear that place is HUUUUUGE!

Thanks,

-Dave
Old Jul 12, 2010 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by marks_lude,Jul 12 2010, 08:16 AM
Like others have said, heal-toe'ing is a whole lot harder under light braking while DD'ing.
It was the opposite for me, at least when I drove the WRX. I learned to heel-toe on the street with lighter braking. When I went to the track for the first time, heel-toe'ing under hard braking put my foot in a different position and the heel-toe movement made it difficult to maintain steady pressure on the brake pedal. But that was the WRX; the S2000's pedals and throttle response make it a lot easier to do.
Old Jul 12, 2010 | 03:11 PM
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Does anybody have some material for reading on the fender liner clips and the SCCA rule Nazis?

What sort of complications will arise from rolling the tabs so the clips cannot be used versus wearing the clips away while racing? Must we go so far as installing the clips into the liner with the tabs rolled back?
Old Jul 12, 2010 | 04:42 PM
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It's 14.2.E in the rule book.
Old Jul 12, 2010 | 07:19 PM
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I am going to just throw this on this thread since it should be seen by most of the STR S2000 guys. Sorry for the spam, but I figured at 100000 pages already no one would care.

I am looking to co-drive an S2000 at Nationals in STR this year. The issue is that it will have to either have Bridgestones or I would have to switch to Bridgestones for my runs. I would like the car to be fairly prepped (wheels, suspension and such). Doesn't need to be 100% there, just have the major items. If you would like to test on the Bridgestones I can get you a set right away, you are welcome to keep them afterwards. PM me if anyone is interested or email me at colinfiedler@gmail.com.

I will be building my own car for next season, but really want to drive one this year.
Old Jul 12, 2010 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by pinkertonpunk,Jul 12 2010, 07:19 PM
I am going to just throw this on this thread since it should be seen by most of the STR S2000 guys. Sorry for the spam, but I figured at 100000 pages already no one would care.

I am looking to co-drive an S2000 at Nationals in STR this year. The issue is that it will have to either have Bridgestones or I would have to switch to Bridgestones for my runs. I would like the car to be fairly prepped (wheels, suspension and such). Doesn't need to be 100% there, just have the major items. If you would like to test on the Bridgestones I can get you a set right away, you are welcome to keep them afterwards. PM me if anyone is interested or email me at colinfiedler@gmail.com.

I will be building my own car for next season, but really want to drive one this year.
awesome. Glad to get more guys coming to the fray. Unfortunately I don't have a seat for you but I'll check around with the local guys if they are going.

Are you looking for an S2000 specifically, or any of the STR 'contenders' ?



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