S2000 STR prep resource
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Must be. While I think it's "sad" that the car to have in this class is a $25k + $8-15k in mods car..., I will say that sometimes you just have to pay to play. There are plenty of classes people can jump to that aren't even remotely this expensive.
I do believe the CR is starting to have another spec class. This is unfortunate for STR. While the ecu rule change would help even the field for the s2000's... I dont think it will really help many other cars in the class. I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but the MX5's have been pretty far back lately. I think the s2000's just took a bit longer to develop than the MX5's. Just my opinion though.
I do believe the CR is starting to have another spec class. This is unfortunate for STR. While the ecu rule change would help even the field for the s2000's... I dont think it will really help many other cars in the class. I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but the MX5's have been pretty far back lately. I think the s2000's just took a bit longer to develop than the MX5's. Just my opinion though.
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Well, since I know people that run CRs in STR, and I don't want them to be royally pissed at me, I won't come straight out and say it, but this is nothing that affects any of the S2000s except the CR. All it would do is level the playing field. Also, when I think about rules changes, I think about the impact to other classes, and the one you guys are assuming, removing the softtop, would affect other classes as well. This rules change would, as of now, only affect STR. To give you guys a hint, there is one other car in STR that might be affected, but it's not a popular car. It's VERY similar to the CR though.
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Originally Posted by josh7owens' timestamp='1309193592' post='20723617
"if the car has a removable top it must keep the top on the car"??
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I beg to differ with this. My MX5 killed a very fast field (including the Yominator, Thorne, Reyenga) at the SD Tour (it is my home turf, but still crushed the field) and coned away the El Toro Pro, then found even more speed in the challenge runs, breaking out every run. I am not selling the MX5 because I think it isn't capable of winning, I am building an S2000 because I want a great daily driver with lots of power, I miss having a car with some grunt. My STR MX5 will go toe-to-toe with any STR car. It is for sale, buy it and win with it. If I don't sell it, I will just keep kicking STR butt with it
Jeff
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And yes you did clobber all of us S2k guys at the SD tour, but none of us were set up to go rally crossing on your home turf gravel lot : p But I do agree with Jeff, I think people are discounting the MX5 too quickly. Jeff and Ken Motonishi are blindingly quick in Mx5 s, but Jeff doesn't leave Socal and Ken is doing ASP. Imo, the mx5 is the better allaround car in STR, I just prefer to keep my manhood and drive an s2k
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"convertibles with hardtops that came as standard equipment may not remove the hardtop for competition"
Weighs similar to all the S2ks, but it does still have those huge down force adding pieces : p This would prevent STR from eventually becoming a spec CR class. I'm sure Cr owners would disagree though : p
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Bah, bench racing. I have driven STR AP1s and love them. I have driven our B-Stock CR with just the kooks and do about the same locally. I drove Disimo's Miata and was on par to my times in Jon's CR (Blytheville) using the datalogger and erasing the half spins on a claimed "S2000 course." Its a driver's race at this point IMO. Not trying to insult anyone, just trying to point out where the most time can be gained...
-Marc
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Originally Posted by zo7vette' timestamp='1309196281' post='20723796
'03 Miata Club Sport? Trying to make them run with the hardtops on? Difference is, the Club Sport had a soft top option, CR didn't have such an option.
"convertibles with hardtops that came as standard equipment may not remove the hardtop for competition"
Weighs similar to all the S2ks, but it does still have those huge down force adding pieces : p This would prevent STR from eventually becoming a spec CR class. I'm sure Cr owners would disagree though : p
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Gotta agree with Marc on this one. I think you guys are confusing correlation with causation. CRs are doing very well nationally in STR, but I suspect the actual reason is that having a big budget for parts and development increases the chances of you doing well in STR, and coincidentally also makes it easier to spend $25k on a CR instead of $15k on an AP2. I'm highly skeptical that the difference in weight between the CR's lack of a top and an AP2's top, folded, results in a repeatable difference in times.
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Originally Posted by sirbunz' timestamp='1309205289' post='20724491
I could care less though. Its less than 50 lbs so if someone tells me the leaving the top off causes me to win, I would be happy to leave it on.
But honestly Steve, whether the weight does or does not matter, you've been around this long enuf to know the lemming affect that cars have. If a bunch of CR s start filling the trophy positions (they are already), then people will blame it on not having a CR, then slowly but surely, the participation numbers will start to drop. I don't want STR to slowly start to wither away like STX and STU has, ever since they became a class. If you negate the weight difference now, then even if the CRs are dominating, non CR owners would have no one to blame but themselves.
ok, so two CR owners have chimed in with their disapproval, who else?