S2000 STR prep resource
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From: Kentucky
Since someone nabbed my number for Nationals, I am using this as an excuse to update my numbers and class letters. I'm going to use the "Save the Ring"'s "STR" logo for may class numbers, and find a font where the numbers match.
I just thought it's cool to support that effort.
https://www.facebook.com/SaveTheRing
-Dave
I just thought it's cool to support that effort.
https://www.facebook.com/SaveTheRing
-Dave
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From: Near Philadelphia
So for you guys that are using flashpro - are you using one of the preinstalled tunes or did you actually have it dyno tuned? If you chose to get it dyno tuned, do you feel like you got your money's worth?
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From: Near Philadelphia
Thanks for the reply. The reason you want to tune is for a little more power and maybe slightly lower vtec right, or is there other stuff? I'm assuming there are no weird quirks or anything with using the preinstalled tune?
I was thinking about doing the same thing as you - running with the included tune for a while until intake, header, exhaust, and cat were done and then doing a custom tune.
I was thinking about doing the same thing as you - running with the included tune for a while until intake, header, exhaust, and cat were done and then doing a custom tune.
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From: Pewaukee, WI
Yeah, I knew it was safe to run with the off the shelf tune with the cat back. I just get nervous with installing other items without the tune. I'm sure a tune would help right now but I don't want to pay $400-$500 for a tune just to turn around and pay again. Been there, done that. Not fun. I will be doing what I can to just get more mid-range torque. We need all the help we can get getting out of corners so that's the plan.
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Originally Posted by rjones' timestamp='1309361147' post='20731069
I think you have to look at it from the STAC point of view.
If they slow down the CR and it becomes a spec standard AP2 class. Then the AP1 guys will want something, it becomes a spec AP1 class, and now the NC Miata guys want something to make them as fast or faster. Now the NB Miata guys fell left out so the STAC has to give them something. It will never stop once they go down that road.
I don't think it will ever happen, it just opens up to big of a can of worms for the STAC.
I will agree that the 2004-2007 S2000 seems to be the odd car out on paper. Nothing that makes them better and a little heaver. 2008 and 2009 can update to a CR if they want.
Really I think the difference is very small. I would most likely finish in the same place if I started with a standard 06+ or a CR. (current ECU rules)
Robert Jones
If they slow down the CR and it becomes a spec standard AP2 class. Then the AP1 guys will want something, it becomes a spec AP1 class, and now the NC Miata guys want something to make them as fast or faster. Now the NB Miata guys fell left out so the STAC has to give them something. It will never stop once they go down that road.
I don't think it will ever happen, it just opens up to big of a can of worms for the STAC.
I will agree that the 2004-2007 S2000 seems to be the odd car out on paper. Nothing that makes them better and a little heaver. 2008 and 2009 can update to a CR if they want.
Really I think the difference is very small. I would most likely finish in the same place if I started with a standard 06+ or a CR. (current ECU rules)
Robert Jones
Sorry, but your "STAC point of view" couldn't be more wrong. Some of the things they strongly emphasize are parity and class participation. Even if we follow your logic, if we leave things as is, then STR becomes a spec CR class, with a production run of 699 cars for the US, vs your "spec AP2 class", of which there were 28,391 units made for the US (excluding the 700 CRs). Add to the fact that AP2s are much cheaper than CRs on average, which scenario would see more participation?
And your argument that different car owners will then want something too, man I think you hit every bump on the logical fallacy path ( I used to teach logical fallacies, so I'd know). If AP1 owners wanted something, we'd be strongly pushing for stock ECUs in ST*, which would kill ALL the AP2s with it's gearing. Nothing of that sort is even floating around, and I, an AP1 owner, am actually in the process of trying to open up ECUs for ALL cars, which would still not make the AP1 even close to the "car to have."
What can of worms? The can was opened when they let the CR into STR in the first place. I'm just trying to figure out a solution that affects the least amount of people and the least amount of grumbling. I'm not saying we should ban the CR from STR. It's too late for that. At least my solution still lets CR owners come play in STR still.
I don't know why you'd think the 2004-2007 would be the odd car out on paper. That car would be the AP1. Whatever you do to an AP1, there's no way you're ever going to make up for the smaller engine.
http://www.honda.com/newsandviews/article.aspx?id=4094
With the top off, and I presume no A/C or music, the difference is 99 lbs.
All else being equal, I would say advantage CR.
John
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Mase played with the car for around 2 hours, and my VTEC isn't set nearly as low as some of the people here (I want to say 5400), but I'm willing to bet I'm making more midrange power. We talked about the VTEC point, and with my setup, there was no power to be gained by lowering it. VTEC comes in stupid smooth, as there is no jump on the dyno curve, or any butt indication that VTEC just kicked in yo. It makes the car much better and smoother to drive.
I deff think I got my money's worth, especially as Mase is one of the best Honda tuners around, and happens to be a short drive from me. If I were you, I would ask around for tuners familier with Flashpro and get it tuned by someone with a good reputation. If you are anywhere close to Jacksonville Fl, its well worth the drive to see Mase.
Also, look into the soft rev limiter that Gernby talks about. It allows you to ride the limiter, as opposed to bounce on and off it. It also prevents over-running the motor too bad. I've got my limiter set at 8300, and it barely touchs 8400 on my datalogs. 8500+ is too rich for my blood.