If the CR's are allowed to run without the top, does that mean us folks with drop tops can remove altogether our power tops since that would mean every bit of a 50 lb. drop when you take into the account the motor to run the top.

 

This is simply the truth. CR's are already the overdog. It honestly just took awhile for them to pop up... I don't remember hardly any CR's at Nationals last year. Now, if the ECU rule change ever goes into effect, the playing field will be much closer to "level" than it is right now. At that point, 40lbs would certainly be within the realm of "driver noise." Ap1's would gain a ton more power and could still match the CR curb weight. Jim Reyenga is no slouch in his AP1 even without the ECU...

If the CR's still remains a potent problem even after the ECU rule change..., I'll predict that at some point down the line something such as the "Soft top delete" or "hard top must remain on the vehicle" rule will take place.

One more thing to consider... if the soft top rule were ever to go into effect, the 04-05' AP2 would be the best AP2 to have. A CR would have a hard time matching it's curbweight... the 06+ non AP2's would still remain 40-50lbs heavier than an 04-05'. The 04-05' AP2's will be a better car to have than the 06+ AP2's with just the ECU rule change...

 

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I will support it. Not sure how many will actually do this. The biggest downside to the CR is the lack of a soft top.

Looks like Jadrice is out for the Toledo event. Baruth and I will be running the B-Stock CR in STR.

You still have the AC and Radio delete which is about the same weight as the hard top. The only difference at that point is the chassis bracing and aero parts which most would prefer to leave in even if it were allowed to be removed. There is no magical weight differences between models, just parts.

I actually think its funny now that everyone thinks the CR is such an overdog. Not to be disrespectful to anyone, but to combat these statements with the same arguments used to down the CR when I first bought it. When I first started driving it at National events in '08 and '09, most teased me for buying it claiming the parts weren't that much different and within driver error. Greg Hahn was the first to be successful on the National level with a CR. Many then said it was the car and pretty much ruled out driver talent. I hate to see these comments against the great drivers in STR using them. At some point, you have to admit that the driver is the most important mod to the car. Simply put, with all the seat time and R&D that went into setting up the CR while freely sharing it with everyone, its no surprise to me why so many chose to run the CR. Had we done that with any other S2000, Im sure it would have been successful.

-Marc

 

Kick ass Marc

 

Its all about having fun. Too bad you couldn't make it. Toledo simply rocks. Running kooks will be like running A6s everywhere else. The grip is insane! I hope to be competitive, but would rather leave with a smile. The competition is great, but the social part keeps me coming back. Its also nice not having to burn up Hoosiers and save them for Nationals. With so many entered in STR, it will be like Blytheville all over again!

-Marc

 

 

To bad he won't be making it. It was fun watching you two battle it out in Lincoln.

See everyone in Toledo!

 

I think people are overblowing the CR issue in STR... in all reality, the big advantage it has in BS is its ability to fit 275's up front due to its higher and stiffer front suspension. That is negated in STR... I really don't think the weight difference is significant enough to worry much about at this point... the ECU issue is the bigger issue in my opinion.

 

May or may not be a big advantage. I stated before (after all our R&D with the CR) that the grip in the front is not where the S2000 suffers. Keeping the rear stable while maintaining speed is the biggest factor.

Jadrice and I have tried 245s and 275s. We stick with the 275s because its easier on tire wear and gives you the ability to flip them front to rear since your using the same sized tire. When we started messing with high dollar shocks and playing with the alignment, the front grip was no longer a factor. I still think 245s would be better at Lincoln as they don't seem to pick up as much OPR.

With STR, I think the biggest part of tuning will be the same as it was in B-Stock ... keeping the rear stable the rear while maintaining speed. We have contemplated a winter project with one of the cars.

-Marc

 

On the non-CR AP2, front grip is a weak point -- more specifically, trying to compromise between front grip and preventing rear wheelspin. I don't think that putting 275 tires on 7" wide wheels is what eliminates that problem for the CR, though! If I had a CR I would probably still run 245s...

I agree with the previous poster's point that the CR has more advantages in stock trim (weight + suspension) than it does in ST trim (weight).