S2000 STR prep resource
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For a break in the debates, here's me having fun in my car at a local event:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zPNQGmFpZU
Car: 2001 S2000, 750F/500R springs on Penske shocks (valved for Stock class, but feel good), Ankeny front bar on full stiff, no rear bar, 255 Dunlops on 949Racing wheels, Berk HFCat, stock ECU and exhaust (my DIY shorty exhaust is too loud for this club/site when used with a HFC), Recaro Pole Position seat, K&N intake.
Lot: Bumpy and lots of surface changes.
Still better than watching reality TV! 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zPNQGmFpZU
Car: 2001 S2000, 750F/500R springs on Penske shocks (valved for Stock class, but feel good), Ankeny front bar on full stiff, no rear bar, 255 Dunlops on 949Racing wheels, Berk HFCat, stock ECU and exhaust (my DIY shorty exhaust is too loud for this club/site when used with a HFC), Recaro Pole Position seat, K&N intake.
Lot: Bumpy and lots of surface changes.
Still better than watching reality TV!
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Softer front bar, softer front spring, longer front shock travel, less front rebound, more rear compression, more rear spring, more rear bar.
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Originally Posted by Z3papa' timestamp='1309217372' post='20725213
If the CR's are allowed to run without the top, does that mean us folks with drop tops can remove altogether our power tops since that would mean every bit of a 50 lb. drop when you take into the account the motor to run the top.
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I will support it. Not sure how many will actually do this. The biggest downside to the CR is the lack of a soft top.
Looks like Jadrice is out for the Toledo event. Baruth and I will be running the B-Stock CR in STR.
Originally Posted by ///Mike
One more thing to consider... if the soft top rule were ever to go into effect, the 04-05' AP2 would be the best AP2 to have. A CR would have a hard time matching it's curbweight... the 06+ non AP2's would still remain 40-50lbs heavier than an 04-05'. The 04-05' AP2's will be a better car to have than the 06+ AP2's with just the ECU rule change...
I actually think its funny now that everyone thinks the CR is such an overdog. Not to be disrespectful to anyone, but to combat these statements with the same arguments used to down the CR when I first bought it. When I first started driving it at National events in '08 and '09, most teased me for buying it claiming the parts weren't that much different and within driver error. Greg Hahn was the first to be successful on the National level with a CR. Many then said it was the car and pretty much ruled out driver talent. I hate to see these comments against the great drivers in STR using them. At some point, you have to admit that the driver is the most important mod to the car. Simply put, with all the seat time and R&D that went into setting up the CR while freely sharing it with everyone, its no surprise to me why so many chose to run the CR. Had we done that with any other S2000, Im sure it would have been successful.
-Marc
As I said before, I do believe that any weight reduction advantage the CR has will be negated by the ECU rule change...if it actually goes into effect.
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Under STR rules, can a non-delete CR get as light as an AP1? Don't forget a chunk of that weight difference is spare tire and compared to delete model (and there are only 59 of us). The thing about the CR is it loses weight in sound deadening, soft top, and spare tire but gains some of it back with aero and the brace. When all is said and done, it's not really 80lbs.
FWIW, I weighed my car in at 2900lbs at a NASA event. Delete model, 160lb driver, full tank of gas (filled up right before the session), empty and gutted trunk, removed tonneau, removed passenger seat, 17x9 TR Motorsports C3's with 225 Hoosier R6's, lightweight battery, comptech FSB.
Also, just curious (I'm not actively competing in STR so just glance over the rules). Is sound deadening removable on all cars? Can a CR with a/c and radio remove both? Or can it remove just one? Are my brake ducts now illegal?
FWIW, I weighed my car in at 2900lbs at a NASA event. Delete model, 160lb driver, full tank of gas (filled up right before the session), empty and gutted trunk, removed tonneau, removed passenger seat, 17x9 TR Motorsports C3's with 225 Hoosier R6's, lightweight battery, comptech FSB.
Also, just curious (I'm not actively competing in STR so just glance over the rules). Is sound deadening removable on all cars? Can a CR with a/c and radio remove both? Or can it remove just one? Are my brake ducts now illegal?
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Originally Posted by sirbunz' timestamp='1309221456' post='20725423
You still have the AC and Radio delete which is about the same weight as the hard top. The only difference at that point is the chassis bracing and aero parts which most would prefer to leave in even if it were allowed to be removed. There is no magical weight differences between models, just parts.
I actually think its funny now that everyone thinks the CR is such an overdog. Not to be disrespectful to anyone, but to combat these statements with the same arguments used to down the CR when I first bought it. When I first started driving it at National events in '08 and '09, most teased me for buying it claiming the parts weren't that much different and within driver error. Greg Hahn was the first to be successful on the National level with a CR. Many then said it was the car and pretty much ruled out driver talent. I hate to see these comments against the great drivers in STR using them. At some point, you have to admit that the driver is the most important mod to the car. Simply put, with all the seat time and R&D that went into setting up the CR while freely sharing it with everyone, its no surprise to me why so many chose to run the CR. Had we done that with any other S2000, Im sure it would have been successful.
-Marc
I actually think its funny now that everyone thinks the CR is such an overdog. Not to be disrespectful to anyone, but to combat these statements with the same arguments used to down the CR when I first bought it. When I first started driving it at National events in '08 and '09, most teased me for buying it claiming the parts weren't that much different and within driver error. Greg Hahn was the first to be successful on the National level with a CR. Many then said it was the car and pretty much ruled out driver talent. I hate to see these comments against the great drivers in STR using them. At some point, you have to admit that the driver is the most important mod to the car. Simply put, with all the seat time and R&D that went into setting up the CR while freely sharing it with everyone, its no surprise to me why so many chose to run the CR. Had we done that with any other S2000, Im sure it would have been successful.
-Marc
As I said before, I do believe that any weight reduction advantage the CR has will be negated by the ECU rule change...if it actually goes into effect.
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That is what we've been saying all along... James Yom did win the Lincoln Tour in a what would be considered a non STR-prepped ap2 driving his balls off. Not to say that car prep is not important, but you have drivers with lack of seat time spending a ton of time and money building and tuning a car to work for their lack of seat time, instead of actually investing more in driver-MOD.
Now that said, James Yom, Jason Collett, Geoff Walker, Robert Thorne and the other stupid fast STR drivers would be deadly combinations with a CR STR-prepped
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Originally Posted by ///MIKE' timestamp='1309274793' post='20727108
[quote name='sirbunz' timestamp='1309221456' post='20725423']
You still have the AC and Radio delete which is about the same weight as the hard top. The only difference at that point is the chassis bracing and aero parts which most would prefer to leave in even if it were allowed to be removed. There is no magical weight differences between models, just parts.
I actually think its funny now that everyone thinks the CR is such an overdog. Not to be disrespectful to anyone, but to combat these statements with the same arguments used to down the CR when I first bought it. When I first started driving it at National events in '08 and '09, most teased me for buying it claiming the parts weren't that much different and within driver error. Greg Hahn was the first to be successful on the National level with a CR. Many then said it was the car and pretty much ruled out driver talent. I hate to see these comments against the great drivers in STR using them. At some point, you have to admit that the driver is the most important mod to the car. Simply put, with all the seat time and R&D that went into setting up the CR while freely sharing it with everyone, its no surprise to me why so many chose to run the CR. Had we done that with any other S2000, Im sure it would have been successful.
-Marc
You still have the AC and Radio delete which is about the same weight as the hard top. The only difference at that point is the chassis bracing and aero parts which most would prefer to leave in even if it were allowed to be removed. There is no magical weight differences between models, just parts.
I actually think its funny now that everyone thinks the CR is such an overdog. Not to be disrespectful to anyone, but to combat these statements with the same arguments used to down the CR when I first bought it. When I first started driving it at National events in '08 and '09, most teased me for buying it claiming the parts weren't that much different and within driver error. Greg Hahn was the first to be successful on the National level with a CR. Many then said it was the car and pretty much ruled out driver talent. I hate to see these comments against the great drivers in STR using them. At some point, you have to admit that the driver is the most important mod to the car. Simply put, with all the seat time and R&D that went into setting up the CR while freely sharing it with everyone, its no surprise to me why so many chose to run the CR. Had we done that with any other S2000, Im sure it would have been successful.
-Marc
As I said before, I do believe that any weight reduction advantage the CR has will be negated by the ECU rule change...if it actually goes into effect.
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John, I'm going to punch you in the mouth.
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I think at the current level of prep, CR vs. non-CR doesn't matter. 3 years from now when everyone's well prepped and people are trying to find that extra tenth of a second, maybe then the CR should be slightly handicapped to be like the rest of the class. Even then, I doubt the difference is more than maybe a tenth of a second on a typical course. Of course this is just a guess, but really we're only talking what, 50 lbs advantage? Even then, if the driver isn't really skinny, then they're just making up for their own weight with the car.
To summarize my view on this, I think ideally there should be some sort of rule to add just that little bit of weight to equalize the CR with the other cars in the class (for example the leave hardtop on or run ballast around 50 lbs or whatever their weight advantage is), since that will be much better for class participation numbers. However, in the meantime it's really not a big deal and the CR does not have the kind of advantage where it's unbeatable. People will never have a perfect run to the degree where you can't find another tenth on them.
To summarize my view on this, I think ideally there should be some sort of rule to add just that little bit of weight to equalize the CR with the other cars in the class (for example the leave hardtop on or run ballast around 50 lbs or whatever their weight advantage is), since that will be much better for class participation numbers. However, in the meantime it's really not a big deal and the CR does not have the kind of advantage where it's unbeatable. People will never have a perfect run to the degree where you can't find another tenth on them.
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That is what we've been saying all along... James Yom did win the Lincoln Tour in a what would be considered a non STR-prepped ap2 driving his balls off. Not to say that car prep is not important, but you have drivers with lack of seat time spending a ton of time and money building and tuning a car to work for their lack of seat time, instead of actually investing more in driver-MOD.
Now that said, James Yom, Jason Collett, Geoff Walker, Robert Thorne and the other stupid fast STR drivers would be deadly combinations with a CR STR-prepped
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How about a Jadrice Toussaint in a white STR prepped CR delete for 2012?
After you win Nationals this year of course!-Marc