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Old Dec 9, 2010 | 06:08 PM
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[QUOTE=PossumK,Dec 9 2010, 06:57 PM] I think it's good to be competing against national champs, especially the class defending champ.
Old Dec 9, 2010 | 07:23 PM
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What do te volk re30 17x9 +63 weight?
Old Dec 9, 2010 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by josh7owens,Dec 9 2010, 08:23 PM
What do te volk re30 17x9 +63 weight?
In general they're slightly lighter than the CE28n's. Dunno about the 17x9 +63 in particular.
Old Dec 9, 2010 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by josh7owens,Dec 9 2010, 07:49 PM
it’s a common theory in the "drag racing" world. I understand that they inferior to you because you go around cones and they only go in a straight lines but it’s common knowledge that in a drag race each pound of rotating mass is equal to eight to ten pounds of “dry” weight. You can believe what you want I truly don’t care but you can’t honestly tell me a “lighter” car doesn’t accelerate faster/harder than a heavier car.

Sorry to be a dick but I was just quoting what I’ve always been told in the drag racing world. Sorry if it’s not up to par with the theory’s of the autocross world. I guess next time I have to have a physics problem backing any “facts” I ever say. I respect you as a fellow STR guy and I'm not trying to argue but 3 different people called me out on my statment. I need to remember this is the racing forum and not off topic
Everyone is right depending on your angle, but everything has a balance. Within reason, the lighter wheel is better in terms of acceleration. A stronger wheel is superior in cornering since it will flex less. A balance between strong and lightweight is better. There are many more areas of comparison between wheels than just weight.

If all else is the same, the 15lb wheel isn't going to give much of an advantage over a 20lb wheel for auto-x. There will be differences, but they will be small differences. Driver error will be a much more drastic difference in comparison.

Josh, you are very energetic about this stuff and most these guys would talk differently if they met you in person. Over the forum, just expect that there will be misunderstandings. We give short explanations on detailed topics. Only so much can be typed and the rest implied/assumed. I got your back if anything gets out of control.

I'm down for some occasional STR action next season!

-Marc
Old Dec 9, 2010 | 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by josh7owens,Dec 9 2010, 07:21 PM

It is and for that we thank you IntegraR0064, I stand corrected. Now use that math skills of yours to come up with a magical spring rate set up for us thats going to beat on on the miatas! On the topic of miatas I got told today ken M is moving to a different class next season. I don't know how true this is but it sure makes me happy!
I heard a similar rumor, ASP I think.



Watch for ASP battle between Ken and Brian Peters (DSP Champ 2010) driving 997 (twin turbo AWD)



Sorry for somewhat off topic.
Old Dec 9, 2010 | 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Random1,Dec 9 2010, 11:14 PM
I heard a similar rumor, ASP I think.



Watch for ASP battle between Ken and Brian Peters (DSP Champ 2010) driving 997 (twin turbo AWD)



Sorry for somewhat off topic.
That would be fun to watch.
Old Dec 10, 2010 | 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by sirbunz,Dec 10 2010, 12:53 AM
Everyone is right depending on your angle, but everything has a balance. Within reason, the lighter wheel is better in terms of acceleration. A stronger wheel is superior in cornering since it will flex less. A balance between strong and lightweight is better. There are many more areas of comparison between wheels than just weight.

If all else is the same, the 15lb wheel isn't going to give much of an advantage over a 20lb wheel for auto-x. There will be differences, but they will be small differences. Driver error will be a much more drastic difference in comparison.

Josh, you are very energetic about this stuff and most these guys would talk differently if they met you in person. Over the forum, just expect that there will be misunderstandings. We give short explanations on detailed topics. Only so much can be typed and the rest implied/assumed. I got your back if anything gets out of control.

I'm down for some occasional STR action next season!

-Marc
I pay no mind to allot of these guys, so it’s all good. Some people feel the need to be-little someone on the internet when they have an opportunity. I’m sure in person they are all cool people. The fact of the matter is we all drive s2000s, race together in the same class, we enjoy this sport because we better our driving skills and meet great people like Marc P and Dave R. We should help each other not be-little them. The disagreement is over now so I’m not going to talk any more about it. I just think all the s2k STR guys should stick together and help each other keep our cars at the top of STR and not the Miata.

Let’s get back to topic-
Is any car settings set in stone yet or are we still all over the place trying to find something that “works?”

For example-
Big front bar, stagger springs front rear (percentage), toe settings (0f/0r), smaller then stock rear bar (Miata), optimal camber setting for even temps with kooks, ect.

People that are just now looking into STR are having to look at 120 page of conflicting information. We really should get that FAQ made.


PS- Marc anytime this coming season you want to come out and drive my STR car your more than welcome. I’m going to try to race every weekend unless work or the girlfriend doesn’t allow it. I’ll defiantly be racing every other weekend though. All of the CKR races and some of KYR then ofcourse a few national races.
Old Dec 10, 2010 | 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Random1,Dec 10 2010, 02:14 AM

Sex on wheels!!!
Old Dec 10, 2010 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by josh7owens,Dec 10 2010, 06:53 AM
We should help each other not be-little them.
Just FYI I don't think anyone's belittling you, I know I'm not. You said something that I believed to be incorrect, so I showed why it's incorrect and about what the real number would be. This is both to help you and to help anyone reading this thread that's like "holy crap I have to empty my bank account to get lightweight wheels before anything else, 8-10 lbs per lb of wheel weight is huge"

Some other people's posts might have bordered on belittling but it's all in good fun. People give you crap just in real life, no big deal.


Anyway, I also agree that this thread is getting unwieldy. I was thinking about going through and summarizing some main points when I get time over the winter.
Old Dec 10, 2010 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by josh7owens,Dec 10 2010, 08:53 AM
Let’s get back to topic-
Is any car settings set in stone yet or are we still all over the place trying to find something that “works?”
People have different driving styles, venues, goals. I doubt there will ever be a "must have" setup. There have already been more than a handful of builds summarized in this thread that I think could be competitive in the right hands.

There is more than one way to be fast in STR and it'll be about optimizing the chassis setup for how you drive.



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