had to up my front air pressure when I took out the rear bar. However I found that you need more front stiffness with the rear bar as opposed to less... with the rear bar and without a lot of front stiffness the car is real tail happy

 

i don't know why some have push issues but i have 1k springs and the big gendron on full stiff. turn-in is sick. definitely not oversprung up front.

 

True... but you also have 1000lb rear springs... that helps

 

When I added the Gendron and rear bar, I started with a little less front roll bias and it drove nearly the same, albeit flatter. On the clock, the car was definitely faster with more front bias but I wouldn't say it "needed" it to drive well.

I started at a 67% front bias with the stock front and no rear, then 62% with a spring change, then 59% when I added the Gendron and rear bar, then tested 57% and finally settled on 63%. The car felt best at 57% but was fastest at 63% where 57% yields lots of throttle steer and 63% lets you mat it everywhere without worry.

 

I agree, I may have made my statement confusing by the fact that I was pointing out you need a fatter bar up front when running the rear bar.

What if there are two main reasons why the front end pushes without a rear bar? first there is the added rear grip because the rear is decoupled and there is less support to keep the front end happy. As well as the lack control on the front end roll causing the need for excessive camber.

 

So... has any one done anything with a lighter and less stiff rear sway bar?

Searches come back with only stiffer bars. I would be up for one if it was very reasonable in price. Right now I am looking at other options. Now that there is a STR class, I wonder if demand for the lighter bar would be enough to warrant our front bar people to make one for us.

-Dave

 

I asked Saner about a year ago about this. He was interested in doing this but had no follow through.

I may make a custom one to try my ideas out. I just need some more springs, camber joint and some time.

 

Since Guy competed in STR with a beautiful yellow AP2 and made the ~1.5" front sway bar, I bet he might be one to contact.

Anyone know (or live close enough to) Guy to ask him?

-Dave

 

I debated throwing an Ankeny-type blade adjuster on one side of the stock rear bar. You'd want to start with the stiffest year of bar available (00-01 I think) so you have some good adjustment range.

Two problems:
1. I'm too lazy to actually do it.
2. My car has been pretty awesome since I pulled the rear bar.

 

yes and yes. I'll ask him this weekend when I see him.